Mother of all Moves

I would reverse 1 and 2 so I didn't need to move stuff (or pay to move stuff) twice.... so buy AZ house and then sell AZ condo/move stuff from AZ condo to AZ house.

If house closing is first you can always move some/many/all things from AZ condo to AZ house before AZ condo closes.

This only works if the OP doesn't intend to use the proceeds from the condo to pay for the house. Basically they are going to own 3 homes at the same time.

DW wants to try to sell the condo furnished. If so, I'd probably only have a pickup truck load of personal stuff to move out of there.

I like the idea of selling the condo, use the proceeds as down payment on the new house with a mortgage. Then use the proceeds from the old house to pay off the mtge. I could do the same by selling off part of taxable portfolio for a down pmt, but unsure of tax consequences.

I want to avoid having 3 if possible.
 
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My lessons learned from 20+ moves:

Before Moving Day:

1. Go through all of your stuff well in advance of the move, and get rid of the things you don’t want in the new place. Why move it if you will just get rid of it at the other end?

2. Decide what you will move yourself. What vehicles and space are available? Estimate the space required to fit the items in the vehicles. Plan to leave about 25% of the available space empty to allow for extra things you will remember at the last minute.

3. Suggested things NOT to send with the movers:
• Important papers, checkbooks, jewelry
• Medical records, medicines
• Other valuables
• Anything you think is very important, and can squeeze into your vehicles
• Cleaning supplies, vacuum, broom, etc
• Tools. Some can be sent with movers, but you will likely need at least a few basic tools with you as you move and unpack.
• Paint supplies if you will paint before the movers deliver your stuff
• A small number of pots, plates, flatware, glasses, etc., so you will be able to cook and eat simple meals until you unpack the kitchen stuff. Or, use paper/plastic items. You won’t want to eat every meal in a restaurant.
• One telephone. One radio.

On Moving Day:

1. Put everything the movers won’t be packing into a separate closet. Hang a sign on the closet to remind the movers (and you!) not to pack the contents of the closet.

2. Put items together in one location if you want them packed together.

3. The movers will give you an inventory list, but it is nearly useless when you need to find something, or when you want to know what was in the box that got lost. When you are unpacking, you will at times be looking for specific items, and you need to be able to find them. This will allow you to unpack in an organized manner, and greatly reduce the stress. Plus save the time you would waste searching for things.

Create your own inventory list as follows:

• Find out in advance how many packers will be boxing your stuff.
• Have one adult follow each packer. Get a friend to help if necessary.
• As the packers load each box, keep a detailed inventory of the contents. This is critical to finding things at the other end!!!! The more detail, the better. Don’t just write things like “desk drawer items”. You won’t know in advance everything you will want to find, so plan ahead!
• As each box is sealed, put a serial number on the box with a permanent marker. Write the number in 3 places: top, and 2 opposite sides. Then you won’t ever have to turn the box more than 90 degrees to find the number.
• Also put the same serial number on the inventory list next to the contents of the box. Now, you know exactly what is in each box.
• For key items, list them right on the outside of the box so you can find them easier.
• DO NOT list valuable items like jewelry on the outside of the box. That’s an invitation to be stolen. Not usually a problem unless the boxes will go into storage before they are delivered at the new place.
• If you know which room the box will go to at the new place, write that on the box as well.
• When the movers put their inventory stickers on the boxes, add that number to your inventory list. You will be checking each box off on the movers’ list as they come off the truck, and you will usually miss a few. This cross reference will help you find them in the ocean of cardboard.
• Each person keeping an inventory should use serial numbers starting with a different digit. For example: Wife uses numbers in the 100’s, husband in the 200’s, etc. This will help ID which room it came from as well as prevent duplicates.


4. Suggested items to be sure get put on the inventory are:
• Pots, plates, glasses, flatware, etc
• Bedding, towels
• Lamps and bulbs
• Any cleaning supplies that get packed
• Toilet paper, paper towels, rags
• Extension cords, telephones and phone cords
• Anything you think you will need in the first few days after the movers deliver your stuff.
• Clothes by type (underwear, socks, pants, etc. Identify the owner Hers/his, which kid)
• Toiletry items
• Hardware such as picture hangers, nails, screws
• Any tools that you send with the movers
• Records, CDs, TV’s and stereo equipment. You will want tunes while you unpack!
• Computer stuff.


5. Don’t let the packers put containers and lids made of glass, ceramic, or other fragile material together without separating them with packing material. The direct contact will allow rubbing, which will probably cause breakage.

6. The movers will usually only place a piece of furniture once. Plan ahead where you want each item to go.

A little planning ahead will make the move go much smoother, at the old place and the new place. It will always be a pain, but being organized helps a lot. Good luck!

Thanks for the detailed list! The NOT to be sent with movers list will probably go in a U Haul trailer and my truck when I move my truck out there.
 
Any possibility that MIL will change her mind when you're mid way into all this? That would be a kick in the pants. Best of luck.
 
Exactly. I'm far busier now than at any time during my working years. I don't know working people can pull off a long distance move.

I did it twice. it was NOT easy...that moment up until closing was an absolute blur. The first time move-out was less than 60 days from offer day...and the kicker we were moving to an island where we only brought 4 16x16 totes and shipped a truck. Sooo, literally I sold everything. I sold me entire home theater in one swoop, dude came to get the wiring, speakers projector all of that. I had 2 guys bartering for top offer on my boat in my driveway about 6 days before I moved off the mainland. Some buzzed up dude brought my commuter car the day before I left...pretty sure I could smell some beer on him lol. Yeah that was a literal whirlwind. We made it out though. :dance:
 
DW wants to try to sell the condo furnished. ....

Since you mentioned moving condo stuff I didn't realize that was a possibility.... I would agree... sell the condo furnished. Do you have friend or relative in the area that might have room to store whatever little things that you might want from the condo?

If you sell the condo furnished then the order or 1 or 2 doesn't much matter... especially since you think the condo will sell quick then if you do have 3 properties it wil only be for a short time.
 
I don’t blame your wife for not leaving her behind. I would move into the condo too while looking. I would be brutal about getting rid of stuff in Illinois.
 
our cross country move went great until the mover (Allied) held our stuff for a month in a parking lot in Houston - that was in 2011

we were promised a delivery by July 5th and I don't think we got our stuff until almost August - terrible
 
Thanks for the confirmation re: downsizing a lot. I'm in a huge fast moving downsizing now. Craigslist, garage sales, Autotrader, Goodwill, and double the garbage pickup.


No doubt everyone’s situation is different but in my case books, recordings (LPs), magazines and the like filled up boxes fast and are very heavy. They should have stayed in the Land Of Lincoln. Garage sales (I joined in on neighborhood ones) were a good place for outdoor equipment; my Deere push mower was gone in minutes, same with 15-yr-old Weber Genesis grill.
 
What an exhausting sounding move! Wow. Yes indeed, it will be the "Mother of all Moves".

How many fellow members moved after ER & were you lucky enough to schedule things to avoid temporarily storing your stuff? And avoid moving to temporary housing waiting to get the new place? And how did you pull off a smooth move?

Well, I moved but I only moved 3 miles away. I bought the new house in cash in the middle of June, 2015, and moving day was on July 1st. Nothing had to go into storage since I owned both homes, and I got the movers to set up my bed so I slept there the first night and did not need temporary housing.

Then once I got settled (maybe 3-4 weeks later? I'd have to look), I had the old house professionally cleaned and put it on the market. It sold in 4 days, but closing was a couple of months later since that's what the buyer wanted. I spent the time calling and overseeing people to do the piddly-a$$ repairs that the buyer specified, most of which were just silly.

BUT....

I guess you could say that was a smooth move, about as smooth as possible, but it sure didn't feel like it! At age 67, my body was not capable of doing all that I thought I could do even though I had been lifting tons of weight each week at the gym and felt like a million bucks before the move. I had professional movers but thought I could do the packing myself. WRONG! I fell numerous times, got literally dozens of painful injuries, threw my back out badly, messed up my knees, ankles, hips, elbows, etc, got bee stings, a near concussion, numerous bad cuts and bruises, and more, you name it. Really I was a wreck afterwards and haven't been the same since.

I am not saying this will happen to you; I am saying it happens to some older people when moving. I don't remember your age, but if you are over 65, you just cannot afford to risk it. Leave your gambling to the casinos and don't gamble on your physical/emotional ability to easily withstand a move.

So, my advice is that if you are over 65, do yourself a favor and spend a few days in an extended stay place while you at least have the movers pack everything. Unpacking is easier because you can do it on your own schedule.

Another tidbit of advice: toss or donate at least 3/4 of your stuff. Keep what is irreplaceable; but honestly you won't miss anything you can replace. After I downsized/decluttered not once, but twice in a row, leaving what seemed to be a nearly empty house, then while packing I still threw out a trashbag full of stuff for every box I packed (and made a smaller pile for donations). I ended up with 52 boxes and I probably should have thrown out even the majority of what I ended up moving.

I am 70 years old now, and if I ever move again I will not take any more than will fit in my Venza. Seriously. I can buy the rest as I need it, after the move.
 
We just moved, but only 2 blocks from a rental to an owned house. Still very exhausting and did not move any super heavy stuff or pack most of the stuff.
When we moved down to FLA from 1k miles up North, we stayed in hotels in each area to coordinate with the furniture move.

I think moving is #5 on the stressful event list.....
 
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We have decided to move from Illinois to Arizona. The move has a lot of parts, since we are selling 2 places, buying 1, and moving MIL with us.

1. Sell our Arizona snowbird condo
1a. Move Az stuff to storage

2. Buy Az house
2a. Move stuff from Az storage to Az house

3. Sell Il house

4. Move Il stuff to Az house
5. Move MIL to Az house.

Of course, the timing of the sales and purchase may dictate a different schedule.

How many fellow members moved after ER & were you lucky enough to schedule things to avoid temporarily storing your stuff? And avoid moving to temporary housing waiting to get the new place? And how did you pull off a smooth move?

I am in the middle of my post-FIRE mother of all moves (international). I could not avoid temporarily storing my stuff (it is still mostly in storage), or moving to temporary housing while I waited to get my new place (I have my new place but I remain in temporary housing while the new place gets refurbished). So I can't offer you much advice. Despite all this, I think that my move has actually been really smooth so far.
 
We just moved, but only 2 blocks from a rental to an owned house. Still very exhausting and did not move any super heavy stuff or pack most of the stuff.
When we moved down to FLA from 1k miles up North, we stayed in hotels in each area to coordinate with the furniture move.

I think moving is #5 on the stressful event list.....

OP are you looking for a casita type arrangement for your MIL. I feel that arrangement is a lot more common in the West/SW....
 
Congratulations! I wondered if you were moving DW too :): as I remembered your saying she was reluctant about it. Really nice for your MIL to be able to live with you in your new digs.
 
1. Sell our Arizona snowbird condo
1a. Move Az stuff to storage

2. Buy Az house
2a. Move stuff from Az storage to Az house

3. Sell Il house

4. Move Il stuff to Az house
5. Move MIL to Az house.

How about this instead? It sounds so much easier to me, although I really don't have a handle on all the details like you probably do:

1. Major decluttering of IL stuff, 80% either tossed or donated. Put IL house on the market and sell. Then have movers move the other 20% of stuff that is left, to your AZ snowbird condo, using it as storage.

2. Say goodbye to IL. Go to AZ and live in a motel or extended stay place. Look for, find, and buy AZ house.

3. Have local movers (much cheaper!) move stuff from AZ condo to new AZ house. Sell AZ condo.
 
We have decided to move from Illinois to Arizona. The move has a lot of parts, since we are selling 2 places, buying 1, and moving MIL with us.

1. Sell our Arizona snowbird condo
1a. Move Az stuff to storage

2. Buy Az house
2a. Move stuff from Az storage to Az house

3. Sell Il house

4. Move Il stuff to Az house
5. Move MIL to Az house.

Of course, the timing of the sales and purchase may dictate a different schedule.

How many fellow members moved after ER & were you lucky enough to schedule things to avoid temporarily storing your stuff? And avoid moving to temporary housing waiting to get the new place? And how did you pull off a smooth move?

We are right now in the middle of a 1200 mile move from Iowa to Florida. We purchased a home in February in Florida, then came back to Iowa to prepare for the move. As of this date we have a purchase agreement signed for the purchase of our house in Iowa, closing hopefully about mid May. We are moving only about 10%-15% of all our possessions. We are moving very little furniture as most of what we own is 20 years old and we want to purchase new in more of a Florida style. Over the last 35 days we have packed up everything ourselves that we plan to take. We contracted with Allied to come load us up next Monday April 22. We are also moving a classic car and have arranged with a car transporter to take it to Florida for us.

We sold a car and quite a few items on Craigslist, and the rest that we are not taking with us will be sold at auction at a cost of 20% of selling price. We did this b/4 when we cleaned out parent's house 5 years ago with very good result. We will be leaving Iowa the day after Allied picks up our possessions. We do not plan to return for either the auction or for closing on our house.

Only possible downside is if home buyer gets cold feet and backs out at last minute. We would then have to come back and get it listed with a realtor. The current sale was done without realtor and utilizing our attorney. Much cheaper all around that way. Assuming house sale goes thru as expected, we then pay off Florida home, buy a new golf cart, then get settled in to our new lifestyle.

Our situations are similar in some respects and different in others. The only recommendation I would make to you is leave ALL the furniture behind. Why pay huge $ to move it when it likely needs replaced due to age, or style, or size. You would save a lot of storage fees if you are required to store the furniture.

Good luck with your move. It is a ton of work but since we are on the downhill side of it we are really getting excited.
 
OP, I agree with the others ~~ get rid of as much furniture as you can.

I am in the process of brutally purging belongings in preparation for a downsize move next year. While I have loved having the furniture I have, I also will enjoy decorating a new place from scratch. It will be a clean canvas.
Only bringing a few cherished pieces means less to move and less $$ to pay for that move. Plus, I've noticed that when I move, the furniture I bring with me either doesn't fit the new place, or it looks much older than it did in the previous home and I want to replace it. ;) And, while I do like a few things enough to haul them with me, I won't shed any tears if leaving them behind means a smaller truck is needed.

We are also moving a classic car and have arranged with a car transporter to take it to Florida for us.

Can I ask how you decided on which transporter to use? What is the cost for that service?
 
Just an added bit of information. Movers for cross country base rates on weight and distance. So if you have heavy items it can save you money moving them in your vehicle.
 
I'm exhausted just looking at that list. If you don't mind sharing, what led you to this decision?

On a second note, stuff is cheap and moving stuff across country is not, OTOH getting people to buy or even take your used stuff requires a lot of effort too.

When my mother moved from Seattle to Clearwater, FL to be near us, she sold or gave away everything that did not fit in a suitcase or the car she was shipping. She went to JCP in Seattle to purchase furniture and had it delivered to her apartment in Clearwater! We purchased all the small stuff for the kitchen and bath so everything was set when she moved into her apartment.
 
OP, I agree with the others ~~ get rid of as much furniture as you can.

I am in the process of brutally purging belongings in preparation for a downsize move next year. While I have loved having the furniture I have, I also will enjoy decorating a new place from scratch. It will be a clean canvas.
Only bringing a few cherished pieces means less to move and less $$ to pay for that move. Plus, I've noticed that when I move, the furniture I bring with me either doesn't fit the new place, or it looks much older than it did in the previous home and I want to replace it. ;) And, while I do like a few things enough to haul them with me, I won't shed any tears if leaving them behind means a smaller truck is needed.



Can I ask how you decided on which transporter to use? What is the cost for that service?

The Allied rep that came to our home to quote the move said we could pay them $1,500 for Allied to arrange it, or we could use the same company to arrange it and save the middleman cost. Rep said he has used this broker in Houston over 50 times with great results. My cost is $850 plus 3.5% to use a charge card. Just to be clear, the outfit is only a broker, they use any one of a number of car haulers.
 
How many fellow members moved after ER & were you lucky enough to schedule things to avoid temporarily storing your stuff? And avoid moving to temporary housing waiting to get the new place? And how did you pull off a smooth move?
Last week we moved from our primary home to our weekend/vacation/retirement home which we had already owned for 7 years.

So, aside from condensing down two homes worth of stuff into one, it was pretty uneventful.
 
Since you mentioned moving condo stuff I didn't realize that was a possibility.... I would agree... sell the condo furnished. Do you have friend or relative in the area that might have room to store whatever little things that you might want from the condo?

If you sell the condo furnished then the order or 1 or 2 doesn't much matter... especially since you think the condo will sell quick then if you do have 3 properties it wil only be for a short time.

Possibly have a neighbor who could store some things. But I would probably go the storage place route. Unless I move a car out there, a 5'x 5' storage place would hold all of our personal stuff that wouldn't be included if the condo was sold furnished.
 
Any possibility that MIL will change her mind when you're mid way into all this? That would be a kick in the pants. Best of luck.

She has started telling her friends that she is moving, and I think she is done downsizing. Took her a week. It's possible that she could change her mind, but I doubt it. And you're right - it would be a kick in the pants if she changed her mind.
 
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