Retirement Paradise is Panama

There is an excellent article in the Sept/Oct issue of
Where To Retire Magazine on retirement in Panama
(pg.86). It covers the topics in this forum in more
detail, complete with web-sites. It is writen by
Melodye Taylor, a writer who lives in Panama.
Interesting Article....
MJ said:
pagar, I don't have problem and in fact welcome reading information about Panama or any other country that could be a possible future retirement home for myself or anyone else on this board. IMHO, I don't think it's appropriate to include information that would appear to promote (perceived or actual) a personal or family (even wife's family) business.

So please continue to share the benefits of living in Panama.

MJ :)
 
There is an excellent article in the Sept/Oct issue of
Where To Retire Magazine on retirement in Panama
(pg.86). It covers the topics in this forum in more
detail, complete with web-sites. It is writen by
Melodye Taylor, a writer who lives in Panama.
Interesting Article....

Hi CZAR 8--

I'm not familiar with this magazine.  Is there any way you can provide a link or scan the article for us--or at least give us an address to contact them?

I think this is great.  I like the fact that the writer lives there.  It gives much more credibility than those writers on assignment.

Pagar--keep posting!!!!  I think you are to be commended.  You have certainly opened my eyes to being able to retire to a much better standard of living without a large ER stash.

Thanks for the thread.

Professor
 
Where to Retire magazine is available at most
larger book stores, or WheretoRetire.com where
you can order a free sample copy. I read the current
copy at my Library, which has a large selection of
magazines.The article on Panama is long and detailed.
 
HaHa said:
I studied for 4 months with a private teacher in Colombia. It was a huge help to me. When I went there I was a rank beginner, and before I left I was dreaming in Spanish. I needed to travel in the countryside, so reasonable language skill was important.

HaHa, I want to read a book of your exploits someday. :)
 
I know Melodye Taylor.

Melodye started the Viviendo en Panama Yahoo group and may still be the owner. When I had more time, I was a co-moderator for VEP.

Melodye is a totally reliable resource and a genuinely nice person. I have to buy this mag! Thank you for the info!

Ed
 
Hey Pagar,

How much do we have to PAGAR YOU for more Panama real estate information?
 
Hi Pagar--

Glad to see you are back and posting once again.

I'm going out at 58 next Aug or Dec and will have a limited income. So the idea of moving to Panama has been formulating in my head since I first subscibed to Intl Living magazine.

Any insights you have are much appreciated since I want to get the most bang for the buck in ER.

Professor
 
Pagar--

I received your message. I'm going to break anonymity and give you my direct email address and then, hopefully, we can communicate directly about the potential for retiring in Panama. It is: jaswalter@hotmail.com

I hope to hear from you in the near future.

Professor
 
I have been particularly interested in the Retire in Panama thread and have been considering moving offshore for awhile. Have contacted some of the links to gather more information and supplied a personal e-mail address. Then I learn more about Panama also being a haven for people who want to escape and live underground due to past criminal behaviours. 

Anybody out there who is or has lived in Panama, Brazil or Argentina can share your personal experiences:confused:

I am especially concerned about this cyber-crime and phishing stuff in gathering info over the i-net. (Pagar, any more input to continue the thread? I have enjoyed your input and thought of you yesterday when Matt Lauer was broadcast live from the Panama Canal...I am excited to come for an exploratory visit in the near future).
 
My personal belief is cyber crime is an international problem of major proportions, but I don't think it is originates in Panama more than in the USA or many other countries. As for criminals hiding out here, those from the USA that are here are apparently bundled up and put on an airplane pretty quick once the FBI pinpoints them as being here. They are probably the lucky ones, compàred to running afoul of the Panama legal system and ending up in one of Panama's prisons

For those looking for more maps and in about specific areas or towns in Panama,
this site may help: http://www.fallingrain.com/world/PM/
 
I feel good in being able to actually contribute to a topic in this most excellent forum. ;)

I am defiantely not an expert on Panama, but spent some time down that way recently. Like yourselves..looking for a cheaper and better way. I was VERY impressed.

The majority of my time was spent in and around the city itself. An absolute fabulous place with a drop-dead gorgeous skyline. Think little Hong Kong. Panama city is not 3rd world...far from it. The tapwater is the best I've ever had and while challenging, I could drive there (I live in Honolulu).

The condos on that link are all very nice. Punta Paitilla (sp?) is the upper end and while a very nice area...probably over priced at this time. Some of the other cheaper condos offer similiar qualities...but you have to be careful. The bay is a cess pool. It stinks like the streets of Bangkok. If you were to look at one of these (random) condos on a day that the wind was lite, you may not realise that you would be gagging soon after moving in. Definately a problem Panama needs to solve...and I am sure they will.

I would consider the city a 5 for safety on a scale f 1-10. I would give it a better rating if I spoke spanish. My fault but the fact remains that lack of familiarity adds risk. The casinos suck. I know my way around a casino....and unless you are playing a) alone B) with one dollar bills C) out of your mind...do not play cards in Panama casinos. Their un-ethical tactics are some of the sloppiest I've ever seen. Enough about that.

Some areas, like all major cities, are more dangerous than others. The downtown is fine and the Amador causeway is awesome. An area called (I beleive) El Chorillo is worse than the worst projects you've ever seen. And much bigger. One thing i noticed...or missed, is a lack of organized gangs. I had the feeling thatif anything were to happen to me...it would be random and not an organized or hate thing. That was comforting.

The weather was quite pleasant compared to my other shopping grounds like Viet Nam, Thailand, etc....but like those countries, if I maybe so bold, the women are stunning...especially the columbianas.....I mean, if that's your thing.

Being from Hawaii, I was less than impressed with Coronado and other beaches. but I have felt this way around the world. hard to beat Hawaii's beaches...and if I wasn't so spoiled, I probably consider them quite nice (?).


I had hoped it would be cheaper. Certainly not as cheap as Thailand but probably half of Hawaii. Again, i remained close to the city and seldom shop for value (though I now must start). Depite the stench of the bay....it is pretty clean overall. There is a wonderful, almost constant breeze that keeps the sky clear.

Needless to say it is a very historical place. One can get lost looking at the many ruins and the area of Casco Viejo is charming by day....but one must keep their wits about them at nite. I had no problems and Ruben Blades lives there. There is many great eateries and fantastic vistas.

I grew up in a boxing family and boxed for 9 years. Roberto Duran was my hero and I got to spend a couple days with him and his family while there. One of the highlites of my life. i will definately return to Panama. When you go...(not "if" because you deserve to go), take some spanish with you. I was able to getby....but mytrip would have been 10 x better knowing the language.

BTW....the people were all incredibly hospitible. One of the few places i've been where being an American was actually a good thing. There were signs, much to my embarassment, that stated:

AMERICANS; ALL YOU CAN EAT, ALL YOU CAN DRINK, ALL NIGHT LONG $20.00

I would like to hear more from the OP because it was the high prices of houses and condos that spooked me off. I would prefer Panama over Thailand mostly because of the poximity to the states and the better weather. Also, panama is #2 in the world behind Switzerland in banking. I would feel wayyyy more comfortable investing there. They do not want ANY bad press scaring away BIG business. Put the days of Noriega behind you...Panama has...and wants to prove it.
 
Sorry about the many typos in that long-winded post. It is late, it is dark and I'm not fixing them. Good nite, ;)
 
I learned a little secret when I lived in Costa Rica: people can't steal what you don't have. You can be worth 100 million dollars, but if you drive a 10 year old hatchback and live in a moderately sized house and have old but functional appliances and don't have jewelry or expensive watches and so on, nobody will bother you. It's a very refreshing philosophy. When I returned to the US I was quite turned off by the flashy consumption and other displays of wealth.
 
Thanks for the informative post Nomo. One of my favorite things about this forum is hearing first-hand opinions of various locations.
 
I was taught long ago that to you, it is a nice watch, to a poor local, it is a years Income.

Dress Down is the Cardinal rule of International travel, wear the Timex, leave the Rolex at home.

I was in the Phillipinnes when a visiting Taiwanese Businessman had his arm lopped off so they could get his watch and his rings.

Flashing Platinum Credit Cards attracts the wrong attention.
 
Howard, there are places here in the US that those rules apply to.
 
Sheryl said:
Thanks for the informative post Nomo.  One of my favorite things about this forum is hearing first-hand opinions of various locations.


I agree, Sheryl. I only found this site yesterday and I have already spent about 12 hours reading the plethora of opinions. If I were retired...I'd spend another 12 today. ;)

BTW...I love your signature. It has my mind (and heart) racing.
 
Outtahere said:
Howard, there are places here in the US that those rules apply to.

They are more civlized here. They would lop off only from the wrist down. :mad: :D
 
MJ said:
They are more civlized here. They would lop off only from the wrist down.  :mad: :D
That's less effort, too.

So, Howard, we've been wondering. It looks like you deleted your account and re-registered. What was the reason for that?
 
This is a US Board, not sure how comfortable I am here?

I may delete again?
 
Panama sounds interesting and I may want to go visit on an extended stay. However I just have a difficult time convincing myself to invest in real estate outsied of the US. Anyone else have similar concerns?
 
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