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Old 11-23-2010, 09:22 PM   #21
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I know Nancy Reagan, President Reagan's wife was on a talk show a while ago, and said that when "Ronnie", as she called him went to the White House, e started working out in the gym there, lifting weights and such, and actually grew a shirt size in his chest and neck......and I don't think he was taking harmones.....weight bearing exercises will build muscle, if you are serious and consistent with it.
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Old 11-23-2010, 09:41 PM   #22
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..., I take an anti-oxidant resveratrol.
Me too. Also, alpha-lipoic acid.
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You guys know that you're going to get old and frail no matter what, right?
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I was hoping others may have focused on this research.... thread caught my attention so lent my input.
Ditto.

I spent quite a bit of time investigating the best research I could find on the subject of anti-aging a few years ago and concluded that caloric restriction with optimal nutrition (CRON) was the only approach that had credible research behind it at the time. So, I headed down that path, kind of, for myself.

I have reduced my average daily calorie intake from well over 3,000 to just under 1,900 over the course of almost three years. And, most days, I get all of my vitamins and minerals from food. (I do take a multi-vitamin-mineral supplement when traveling since I do not eat as well, nutritionally.)

I also try to get a moderate amount of both aerobic and weight bearing exercise each week. And, I have been taking an Omega-3 fish oil supplement for the last year on days when I do not eat a significant amount of fish.

I am doing this not only to push my maximum potential age out as far as possible but also to increase my chances (probability) of achiving something close to that maximum as well as squaring the curve at the end.

One of my major plans for RE is investigating more thoroughly the current state of research into optimal daily values of several things and then putting up a web page to explain what I am doing myself and why:
  • All known nutrients
  • Amount, frequency and types of exercise
  • Useful supplements
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One of my major plans for RE is investigating more thoroughly the current state of research into optimal daily values of several things and then putting up a web page to explain what I am doing myself and why:
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I would be very interested to read about your and Ted's conclusions. Please post the URL of your website here if you go ahead with those plans one day!
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I would be very interested to read about your and Ted's conclusions. Please post the URL of your website here if you go ahead with those plans one day!
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I like your approach Coolchange and we do something similar. Growing up in England we both got to love the flavor of oily fish such as mackerel and herring, so eating plenty of fish, including oily fish, is no hardship at all. The only supplement we take is a multi-vitamin tablet although I personally would not bother these days but DW says that there is no evidence that it does any harm, and it just might do some good.

We also do lots of, and a big variety of, exercise. We both hope to "square that curve", like both my father and FIL who were very fit and healthy, living in their own house right up to the last few weeks of their lives at ages 84 and 85.
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You guys know that you're going to get old and frail no matter what, right?
Sure, but as long as the liquid helium is topped off, I'll be fine.
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Not right. "Squaring the curve" means the time of frailty is delayed until the time of death. There's nothing impossible about it in principle. In fact, if you allow for advancing the time of death to before the onset of frailty, it's even easy.
I hope you're right, but I think you might be expecting a little too much.

I've been younger-next-yearing for coming up on three years now. I'd say I feel about as good or better than I did at age 47 (now 57).

In general, that is.

But there are days when I just feel old and tired.
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Nederland, Colorado, a picturesque little town about 45 miles northwest of Denver claims more than just quaintness, beauty, and the ruggedness of the Rocky Mountains to draw thousands of visitors. It also is home to Grandpa Bredo Morstoel, more commonly known as "The Frozen Dead Guy.”

Morstoel died on November 6, 1989 while at the family’s mountain retreat in Norway and was immediately packed in ice before making the long trip to Los Angeles, California, where he was cryogenically prepped and frozen. Morstoel’s grandson, Trygve Bauge decided that his grandfather should have the opportunity of potential immorality and made the arrangements for his grandfather.
A certain Baseball Player also took this route to anti-aging.
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A cryogenic chance at immorality? Hey, cut me some of that!
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A statistic from nowhere, or nowhere I remember, but it has the ring of truth: if most of us can look forward to living for about 10 years longer than our parents, we can also expect to spend the equivalent of eight of those years in hospital or doctors' waiting-rooms. When, at nearly 80, Gore Vidal was asked to explain why he had left Italy for California, he spoke of his future as "the hospital years".
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Old people are often told they're "marvellous" for simply being there and not complaining much. As though our longevity or our susceptibility to disease were entirely up to us, were choices we make: pain and illness the outward signs of weakness, vacillation, lack of character; health the well-earned consequence of courage and the right amount of moral fibre. The man or woman who meekly submits to illness and death rather than "fighting" it, "putting up a struggle", is unlikely to figure gloriously in obituary columns.
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I woke this morning with an ominous pain on the right side of my chest. There are some good things about new, sharp pains: they tend to blot out the older, more persistent ones. So, unusually, I had no cramp in my legs, nor could I feel the sharp agony and intractable stiffness in the small of my back that greets me on other mornings. The pains of old age are often undiagnosed and perhaps undiagnosable. Since they are usually produced by the gradual, or occasionally sudden, wearing out of bits of our minds and bodies, they are often less frightening than new and inexplicable pains were in one's youth, because for the most part they don't herald serious illness or catastrophe but simply remind us of our general and increasing debility. The bad thing about them, however, is that by and large they are going to get worse.

If I find it painful getting out of bed in the morning, I am likely to find it harder still in five years' time. Then you have to add that, though that is undoubtedly so, it is also quite possible that you won't be there in five years. And given that it's pain you're thinking about, you're faced with a dilemma. Do you really want to be there having a much worse version of the pain that's bothering you now? Might it possibly be a relief not to be there?
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If I find it painful getting out of bed in the morning, I am likely to find it harder still in five years' time.
Well, maybe, but maybe not. A year ago, I was finding it painful getting out of bed, and I needed 10 minutes or so warm-up before I could walk around without it hurting. I increased the variety and number of repetitions of morning calisthenics I do (push-ups, sit-ups, squats, etc.), and I don't get that pain any more. If Jane is fatalistic and just lets "nature take its course", she'll be right, and it will indeed be harder still. But maybe it doesn't have to be that way.
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Well, maybe, but maybe not.
Well, come back when you are pushing 80 and see if you still believe she is mistaken.
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Well, come back when you are pushing 80 and see if you still believe she is mistaken.
I don't recall saying she was mistaken. Did I say or imply that?
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If I find it painful getting out of bed in the morning, I am likely to find it harder still in five years' time.
And that's why we're trying to fight aging.
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I don't recall saying she was mistaken. Did I say or imply that?
My bad. What you said was, "If Jane is fatalistic and just lets 'nature take its course', she'll be right, and it will indeed be harder still. But maybe it doesn't have to be that way." I read it wrong. Sorry.
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If we knew exactly what kind and how much exercise to do, what kind of food to eat, and what kind of supplements or drugs to take, I'm sure we could have fantastic results.

But it's so hard to know. Which reports to trust, which web sites have good info, etc.

And trial and error does not work. It's too easy to be convinced that, for example, some supplement works wonders, when it's simply that you felt extra good that month.
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But it's so hard to know.
As if knowledge implies that we're gonna actually hoist our assets out of our double-wide recliners and go do any of it...

For example, I'm pretty sure that a few hundred situps a day will create six-pack abs, and I lose nothing by experimenting with the quantities & varieties. Yet somehow it just doesn't happen.
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I can only speak for myself but I have aged many years in the last two. I was very fit but personal circumstances forced me to quit my fitness workouts two years ago. I am amazed at how quickly I slipped to "old" I have started the climb back, but it will take a while.
I splurged on an xbox360 with kinnect and an EA fitness program. So far, it has surpassed my expectations.
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