brewer12345
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Since we now seem to be past the point in the markets where you can just pick up gems everywhere, I have been spending time monkeying around with CEFs. I thought I would start a thread for any and all interested parties to share info. By way of starters, how about a bit of a primer:
- CEFs are similar to ETFs in that they are baskets of securities traded like stocks. However, they differ from ETFs in that they are fixed pools of money, are actively managed, and generally have higher fees. Many CEFs are also levered (they borrow money to invest), and they frequently trade at a discount or premium to NAV (which can be big).
- an excellent source of info on CEFs is www.cefconnect.com. It is searchable, provides lots of data, and gives links to the sponsor's site and the fund's SEC filings.
- CEFs invest in most anything you can think of and also pursue some esoteric strategies (covered call funds, for example). This can be a good idea or a bad idea, but more choices is always good.
- due diligence on a CEF is similar to a traditional mutual fund. The one major addition would be to scope out the premium or discount a CEF trades at.
That is the basics. So why do I mess with CEFs? If you dig, you can find funds with reasonable expenses investing in stuff you want to own and buy at a fat discount to NAV. At the very least, you get amped up yield/return relative to just buying the underlying assets. If you are lucky, the fund or asset class comes back into favor and the discount narrows (or goes to a premium). Sometimes the fund manager hastens this along by buying back fund shares in the open market. If you are like me, you sell when the discount goes away and move on to the next fat discount. As a kicker, many CEFs have generous yields.
- CEFs are similar to ETFs in that they are baskets of securities traded like stocks. However, they differ from ETFs in that they are fixed pools of money, are actively managed, and generally have higher fees. Many CEFs are also levered (they borrow money to invest), and they frequently trade at a discount or premium to NAV (which can be big).
- an excellent source of info on CEFs is www.cefconnect.com. It is searchable, provides lots of data, and gives links to the sponsor's site and the fund's SEC filings.
- CEFs invest in most anything you can think of and also pursue some esoteric strategies (covered call funds, for example). This can be a good idea or a bad idea, but more choices is always good.
- due diligence on a CEF is similar to a traditional mutual fund. The one major addition would be to scope out the premium or discount a CEF trades at.
That is the basics. So why do I mess with CEFs? If you dig, you can find funds with reasonable expenses investing in stuff you want to own and buy at a fat discount to NAV. At the very least, you get amped up yield/return relative to just buying the underlying assets. If you are lucky, the fund or asset class comes back into favor and the discount narrows (or goes to a premium). Sometimes the fund manager hastens this along by buying back fund shares in the open market. If you are like me, you sell when the discount goes away and move on to the next fat discount. As a kicker, many CEFs have generous yields.