Train travel across Europe.

[Cricky]

I have not explored options for visiting that area, but I do notice that if you are willing to pay up for a private tour, Ophorus offers a couple of options. OPHORUS - Strasbourg and Alsace private sightseeing and wine tours

There are likely many more options.

Thanks. I hadn't looked at their private tour page, so didn't see they go into Germany. Pricey for two of us (though not if you fill the van) so we'll keep looking--though we may well try one of their Alsace tours.

 

[audreyh1]

Thanks. I hadn't looked at their private tour page, so didn't see they go into Germany. Pricey for two of us (though not if you fill the van) so we'll keep looking--though we may well try one of their Alsace tours.

Considering we're paying €120 each, €240 total, for the Pearls of Alsace tour, I thought €440 for having the van and driver-guide all to yourself was not bad. That doesn't include any attraction entrance fees, but from the itinerary it's mostly sightseeing anyway.

 

[rodi]

How about something like Tuscan Wine Tours? (haven't researched) Reviews: Tuscan Wine Tours - Day Tours (Florence, Italy) on TripAdvisor

We'd probably do this in Provence: OPHORUS - Avignon and The Provence Wine Tours. They also offer multi-day tours.

That's usually my first step to explore an area of interest if it looks too inefficient or difficult to use public transportation.

We also spend a couple of nights in the area of interest rather than trying to do long distance it from a major city.

We're using this group for a tour of the Champagne region around Epernay (and staying in Reims). Champagne Day tours :: France Bubbles Tours

I'm sure one day I'll have to break down and rent a car. But I'm putting it off as long as possible.

The nice thing about meandering around areas that aren't train friendly, by car, is that you are not tied to a tour agenda and schedule. That way if you decide to sleep in and leave later, or take a longer lunch then go back to the rental apartment for a nap - you can.

I've done tours. They have their place, for sure. But I have commitment issues and anything more than 1 day is too much commitment for me, these days, when it comes to tours. (In other words, I don't mind hiring guides.)

The same holds true for city exploring... (no car needed)... I'd rather set my own agenda/schedule.

 

[Cricky]

Considering we're paying €120 each, €240 total, for the Pearls of Alsace tour, I thought €440 for having the van and driver-guide all to yourself was not bad. That doesn't include any attraction entrance fees, but from the itinerary it's mostly sightseeing anyway.

Agreed, the cost isn't outlandish--though it would cause us to exceed the (admittedly arbitrary) daily target that we (usually) try to stick to in Western Europe. But we'll also be spending a few days in Gengenbach, which will be our base for the Black Forest. And honestly, I don't mind sharing the van/guide in a small group. I always learn something from my fellow travelers.

 

[audreyh1]

We plan on spending another Europe trip traveling the Rhine, but I don't think the Black Forest is high on our list. We really enjoyed the Austrian Alps last year - lots of forests there!

Wine tours and driving yourself. Those don't mix!!!

and I'd rather do my sightseeing on a wine tour. Small groups only, of course!

 

[Focus]

Night travel across Europe.

We took the night train (City Nightline) from Amsterdam to Munich last year. I wouldn't do it again. It just wasn't comfortable, and we were in the nicest berth offered. Also kind of cooped up in the berth.

Seemed like a great idea. Didn't work for us. It also can be expensive

I did it once too. Was quite looking forward to it. It was a nightmare (literally). The train rocked every which way irregularly so there was no way for the body to adjust, it kept stopping and starting, and there was too much noise. Never again.

 

[Nemo2]

I did it once too. Was quite looking forward to it. It was a nightmare (literally). The train rocked every which way irregularly so there was no way for the body to adjust, it kept stopping and starting, and there was too much noise. Never again.

It's worse than, say, sitting in a compartment on a day train? It's been many decades since I've taken extended rail trips, (and youth was my friend at that time, so inconvenience was shrugged off), but have done a few 2-3 hour excursions relatively recently and always seem to be able to nod off for a while.

 

[audreyh1]

It's worse than, say, sitting in a compartment on a day train? It's been many decades since I've taken extended rail trips, (and youth was my friend at that time, so inconvenience was shrugged off), but have done a few 2-3 hour excursions relatively recently and always seem to be able to nod off for a while.

Yes. I didn't find the seats very comfortable. The seats fold down and a bed pulls out over them. But I found seats on regular trains more comfortable than those seats. Plus I didn't like being in a tiny "cabin" that much. The compartments on the regular trains were fine.

 

[anethum]

Everyone has different sleeping habits and abilities. I've taken 2 night train trips in recent years. One was on the now-discontinued Elipsos Paris->Madrid train. The other was from Bangkok->Nong Khai (in NE Thailand on the border with Laos). I got little sleep on the Elipsos train. The problem was that we didn't cross into Spain until around midnight, so nearly all of the sleeping time was on Spanish tracks which were much less smooth than French tracks. I was in a 6-person 2nd class compartment. In Thailand I was in a 2-person 1st class compartment but the train was much less modern than European trains. I managed to get a lot more sleep on the Thai train compared to the European train.

When I was young, I took a train from Vancouver to Toronto. After 4+ days on the train, I was quite happy to get off. I didn't have a bed, but I was only 21 years old at the time so I survived. Today I generally can't sleep unless I'm laying down.

Last year a friend & I were on a non-TGV train in France on an extremely hot day on a fully-packed train. A woman came on with her large dog and young daughter. They blocked the aisle with their luggage and their dog. After a short while, the dog got up and crawled under a nearby seat and threw up. The stench was awful. My friend & I were getting off in about 25 minutes, so we got up and waited in the hot area between 2 rail cars to wait for our stop, rather than endure the stench.

Rail strikes are another issue in Europe. I've had train strike problems in France, Italy, and even Belgium. Last year, there was a train strike in France when my friend & I were trying to get back to Paris. There was 1 train running on a day when there normally would have been a dozen from where we were. The ticket office couldn't even sell tickets because of the strike. Instead, we were given a piece of paper saying we were entitled to purchase a ticket on board at the regular price, rather than having to pay a penalty due to boarding without a ticket. The train surprisingly wasn't full, and we never saw a ticket-taker so we got that ride for free.

Twice, including last year, I've had to get to Charles de Gaulle Airport when public transport was on strike. I normally take the RER train. I took a taxi during one strike, and last year, a friend drove us. The woman sitting next to me on my flight missed her original flight earlier in the day due to the transport strike. (RER trains were running, but there was a major slowdown and offloading in some stations, she said.) Air Canada made her pay $300 to take a later flight the same day.

 

[Nemo2]

I guess all we can do is test our tolerance levels....so a minimum (and perhaps a maximum, depending upon our reactions) of one night train is in order (if, indeed, we do decide to take that approach).......thanks everyone for their input, it's appreciated.

 

[anethum]

Last year, there was a superb exhibition in Paris about the old Orient Express, including several original Orient Express rail cars from the 1930s which you could walk through. 2 of these 3 photos were from the bar car.

 

[Nemo2]

Is that Poirot's coat hanging up? (Six degrees of separation.....once stayed at the Pera Palace Hotel in Istanbul......where, rumor has it, Agatha might have written "Murder on the Orient Express".)

 

[anethum]

Is that Poirot's coat hanging up? (Six degrees of separation.....once stayed at the Pera Palace Hotel in Istanbul......where, rumor has it, Agatha might have written "Murder on the Orient Express".)

Throughout the exhibit there were tags with the photo and name of someone who is known to have traveled on the Orient Express. This name tag says "Agatha Christie", but I don't recall if the article of clothing was in any way associated with her. Also, a lot of the glass in the bar car was original Lalique.

BTW, although we couldn't walk through the dining car, you could make reservations to eat in it in the evening. A well-known chef prepared two rather pricey dinners (120 euros & 160 euros) to choose from.

 

[NW-Bound]

(Noticed, before one of your edits, you mentioned Venice/Nice.....We'll be in Genoa (twice) this Fall, (taking the train from there to Marseille and back, with a possible layover in Nice......a place I haven't been to in 52 years.)

Maybe it was my post you saw, when I first talked about the night train from Nice to Naples, then edited to say Monaco-Naples when I remembered that we made a stop in Monaco as it was on the way.

Monaco is only 20 miles or so from Nice, so it was a logical stop on the way to Rome or Naples. We stayed at the Marriott in Cap d'Ail, which was right at the boundary of Monaco, and allowed us to just walk over to tour this little city-state.

Just now, went on google map and looked at the street views. Ah, that brings back memory. I would not mind visiting this area again, and spending more time. Mentioned it to my wife, and she reminded me that we had a complimentary free stay at that Marriott that time. That was nice.

 

[audreyh1]

It was mine. I misread his post at first thinking he was traveling from the Balkans to Barcelona.

 

[rodi]

I've purchased all but 2 of our 11 legs of our European train adventure this summer. The trips in/out of Berlin are sill not open for purchase yet. I'm hoping at the 90 day point I can pick up some cheap tickets.

 

[NW-Bound]

When we took the train from Naples to Sorrento, we passed by a train station called Pompeii. I asked myself, could it be?

Yes! At Sorrento, a bit of research showed me that indeed that train station was right at the entrance to the Pompeii archeological site, and that we could spend a few bucks to leave our backpacks and carry-ons at a convenience store outside the gate to tour Pompeii. And that was exactly what we did: catching an early train when we left Sorrento, spending most of the day walking around Pompeii, then getting back on the train to Rome to catch the night train to Venice. An unplanned stop that was so enjoyable.

Train travel in Europe is great. I need to come back to spend time in the Cinque Terre, and to stay in little Italian pensiones. Too many places in the world to visit, too short a life.

 

[Nemo2]

I need to come back to spend time in the Cinque Terre, and to stay in little Italian pensiones. Too many places in the world to visit, too short a life.

We are booked to arrive in Genoa Oct 23, and don't have to be in Marseille until Oct 31, so Cinque Terre is high on our list.

 

[rodi]

When we took the train from Naples to Sorrento, we passed by a train station called Pompeii. I asked myself, could it be?

We did something similar a few years ago. We left Rome to Naples in the morning. Left our luggage at the Naples train station then took the regional train (different gauge tracks than the national trains) to Pompeii... had a great day... then returned to Naples and caught our ferry to Catania, Sicily. The kids were little - and LOVED running up and down the old pompeii streets... and were covered in the white ash/dust at the end of the day. (Good thing our ferry cabin had a shower.)

 

[rodi]

We are booked to arrive in Genoa Oct 23, and don't have to be in Marseille until Oct 31, so Cinque Terre is high on our list.

Cinque Terre is still high on my list - but I'll at least be able to see it in the earlish morning on the way from Sicily to Milan on the intercity notte train. Amalfi coast before bed - then no stops from Salerno to Livorno, then we move up along Cinque Terre on our way to Milan. I think we hit Livorno around 6:30am - so the light should be nice if we wake up to see it.

 

[kcowan]

Planning our trip to Sicily this fall. Some nice references to travel around Sorrento and Sicily. We are planning on visiting Amalfi Coast again, eventually reaching Rome. Pompeii is also on the list. Thanks.

 

[Nemo2]

Planning our trip to Sicily this fall.

The Horizon is scheduled to be in Messina on November 02, from 08:00 a.m. to 05:00 p.m. See ya dockside!

 

[brett]

We spent 3plus weeks in Sicily this past Sept/Oct. Flew to Catania from Malta because it was cheaper than the ferry. Bussed directly to Taormina from the airport, spent a few days there and then picked up a rental car. Dropped the car off in Cefalu two weeks later prior to visiting the Aolian Islands and then back to Palermo by train.

Highly recommend Sicily-most especially in the shoulder season. We stayed at agrotourisms and B&B's.

If you are going to Pompei via train, there are two stops-Pompei and Pompei Scavi. You want the latter.

 

[kcowan]

The Horizon is scheduled to be in Messina on November 02, from 08:00 a.m. to 05:00 p.m. See ya dockside!

Sorry, by then we will be back, returning Oct 16 from Rome after a month.

We spent 3plus weeks in Sicily this past Sept/Oct. Flew to Catania from Malta because it was cheaper than the ferry. Bussed directly to Taormina from the airport, spent a few days there and then picked up a rental car. Dropped the car off in Cefalu two weeks later prior to visiting the Aolian Islands and then back to Palermo by train.

Highly recommend Sicily-most especially in the shoulder season. We stayed at agrotourisms and B&B's.

If you are going to Pompei via train, there are two stops-Pompei and Pompei Scavi. You want the latter.

Thanks. Yes we are going to Pompeii. So far we have 7 days booked in Positano, 2 days in Capri and about to book 5 days in Taormina. Interesting, last night we ate at an Italian restaurant here in PV and the chef is returning to Taormina to join his brother in his restaurant for the summer. So we have all the info to find the place which is just a block from our hotel Villa Schuler.

 

[brett]

Not certain how you are getting to Taormina. You do not need a car and parking is a challenge. We flew into Catania. There was a bus directly from the airport to Taormina. It runs just about every hour.

We did a one way car rental from autoeurope.ca. We find that they have the best prices of anyone and the service is very good. Picked the car up in Taormina as we left, dropped it off in Cefalu as we did not want it for the islands or for Palermo. We did a 2 tour through the mountains from Cefalu-very nice.