RunningBum
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Great topic, and some great points made here! As someone said, I'm now spending more time trying to figure out how to control income rather than deciding which investments to make. I was already doing a good bit of this with Roth conversion planning, and PPACA brings a whole new ballgame.
Much of my money is in a taxable account, so my 2012 AGI without Roth conversion was barely under the threshold level. As I understand it you can't hide income with tax free bonds. You can't reduce it with deductions. It seems that all I can really do is invest in things that don't throw much income.
- I've had to keep some bonds in my taxable account to keep my bond/equity AA up. Do I reduce my bond holdings to generate less income?
- I am mostly in index funds but even they paid 2% dividends last year, 1.7 the year before. The VG Total International Index in particular had a lot of dividends last year, 3%. Should I reduce my international mix just to control income, or was last year an aberration?
- I think I will do a partial Roth conversion this year to the top of my 25% bracket and then plan tiny or no conversions for awhile, or maybe once every few years do a large conversion and skip the subsidy that year. I understand this means I won't get the subsidy going into 2014, but rather after the end of the year when I prove that I (hopefully) made it under the threshold. I wish I had understood this better and done a larger Roth conversion in 2012 as well. If I just don't do Roth conversions, I think RMDs are going to easily drive me into the 25% bracket later, if the tax rate structure doesn't change in 20 years.
- Should I take more capital gains this year to avoid them in future years? I can sell a mutual fund for a LT capital gain and immediately buy it back, can't I?
Someone mentioned that the incentive to keep income low will also have the affect of less income tax revenue for the government. In the long run I disagree, as I think I will be doing some things less tax efficiently. Specifically I'll be doing less optimal tax management of my IRA.
Is staying under the threshold worth it for me to be less tax efficient otherwise and perhaps alter my diversification strategy? I guess I'll wait and see what my insurance premiums will be in 2014. I'm paying just $239/month now for a high deductible HSA-eligible policy, but I started that policy in 2012 so I'm not grandfathered in.
Much of my money is in a taxable account, so my 2012 AGI without Roth conversion was barely under the threshold level. As I understand it you can't hide income with tax free bonds. You can't reduce it with deductions. It seems that all I can really do is invest in things that don't throw much income.
- I've had to keep some bonds in my taxable account to keep my bond/equity AA up. Do I reduce my bond holdings to generate less income?
- I am mostly in index funds but even they paid 2% dividends last year, 1.7 the year before. The VG Total International Index in particular had a lot of dividends last year, 3%. Should I reduce my international mix just to control income, or was last year an aberration?
- I think I will do a partial Roth conversion this year to the top of my 25% bracket and then plan tiny or no conversions for awhile, or maybe once every few years do a large conversion and skip the subsidy that year. I understand this means I won't get the subsidy going into 2014, but rather after the end of the year when I prove that I (hopefully) made it under the threshold. I wish I had understood this better and done a larger Roth conversion in 2012 as well. If I just don't do Roth conversions, I think RMDs are going to easily drive me into the 25% bracket later, if the tax rate structure doesn't change in 20 years.
- Should I take more capital gains this year to avoid them in future years? I can sell a mutual fund for a LT capital gain and immediately buy it back, can't I?
Someone mentioned that the incentive to keep income low will also have the affect of less income tax revenue for the government. In the long run I disagree, as I think I will be doing some things less tax efficiently. Specifically I'll be doing less optimal tax management of my IRA.
Is staying under the threshold worth it for me to be less tax efficient otherwise and perhaps alter my diversification strategy? I guess I'll wait and see what my insurance premiums will be in 2014. I'm paying just $239/month now for a high deductible HSA-eligible policy, but I started that policy in 2012 so I'm not grandfathered in.