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My folks have IRA accounts as well as taxable assets with Fidelity, with their asset management services.
I've told them for years to move to Vanguard and stop paying management fees.
But they only got religion because they consulted with another asset management firm who told them Fidelity is charging too much fees and the performance isn't that great.
This other firm is Chase, so I'm skeptical their fees would be much less.
I took a look at their accounts and it's a mess. They have dozens of different stocks and funds, mostly the former. They break the account up into trusts besides the IRA accounts and within each are individual stocks, some with minimal holdings (like market value of $10).
So looking through the statements, it's difficult to track all the activity. For instance, the annual investment report for last year is 100 pages, mostly of all the trades they've done on the account.
And throughout the statements, there are management fees deductions.
One thing gulling is that next to the IRA MRD deduction, there is a deduction of .0064%, which turns out to be more than 10% of the MRD itself.
I don't know if it's the kind of investments which trigger this fee or they're just showing their overall fees allocated to different parts of their assets.
But I can't believe other IRA custodians would charge a fee for MRD payments, would they?
In any event, it's a mess and unwinding it would be very difficult, because of the sheer number of individual stocks and complicated account structure. That must be deliberate.
My folks probably never questioned it because the value of their assets have steadily gone up in the last 10 years but then again, if you're invested in the market, how could it not?
They're in their 80s and the AA is 74% domestic and foreign stocks, 19% bonds. That was one big red flag that Chase pointed out to them.
I see that Vanguard has an option to move assets over from another financial firm. But I don't know if it even makes sense to move dozens and dozens of individual stocks over to a VG account.
If nothing else, VG wouldn't charge them fees or wouldn't charge as high a fees for maintaining them. But if they wanted to convert them over to VG funds or ETSs, they can't avoid cap gains either way, I would think.
I've told them for years to move to Vanguard and stop paying management fees.
But they only got religion because they consulted with another asset management firm who told them Fidelity is charging too much fees and the performance isn't that great.
This other firm is Chase, so I'm skeptical their fees would be much less.
I took a look at their accounts and it's a mess. They have dozens of different stocks and funds, mostly the former. They break the account up into trusts besides the IRA accounts and within each are individual stocks, some with minimal holdings (like market value of $10).
So looking through the statements, it's difficult to track all the activity. For instance, the annual investment report for last year is 100 pages, mostly of all the trades they've done on the account.
And throughout the statements, there are management fees deductions.
One thing gulling is that next to the IRA MRD deduction, there is a deduction of .0064%, which turns out to be more than 10% of the MRD itself.
I don't know if it's the kind of investments which trigger this fee or they're just showing their overall fees allocated to different parts of their assets.
But I can't believe other IRA custodians would charge a fee for MRD payments, would they?
In any event, it's a mess and unwinding it would be very difficult, because of the sheer number of individual stocks and complicated account structure. That must be deliberate.
My folks probably never questioned it because the value of their assets have steadily gone up in the last 10 years but then again, if you're invested in the market, how could it not?
They're in their 80s and the AA is 74% domestic and foreign stocks, 19% bonds. That was one big red flag that Chase pointed out to them.
I see that Vanguard has an option to move assets over from another financial firm. But I don't know if it even makes sense to move dozens and dozens of individual stocks over to a VG account.
If nothing else, VG wouldn't charge them fees or wouldn't charge as high a fees for maintaining them. But if they wanted to convert them over to VG funds or ETSs, they can't avoid cap gains either way, I would think.