My sister-in-law is missing - again

Glad to hear she was ok. While the full solution is very complicated, the GPS suggestion seems like a very easy short term hack. I'm looking at the Orbit key finder I was given for Christmas by DD and it is so unobtrusive that it could be deployed easily. I think the Tile device is similar. Newer cars have apps that show location and fuel level. Or maybe DD is concerned for my well being.
Edit: On further investigation, the Orbit range is not suitable for this but Tile might be.
 
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Good to hear that she has been found safe and sound. All the best on whatever actions you and her family take to improve the situation.
 
Perhaps the best solution is to lose the keys or disable the car somehow, and then stall, hinder and delay at getting the car "fixed" ....

We were about to do that with FIL (disconnect the battery ground wire at the engine so it would "look normal") but then he admitted it was "making a noise" and asked me to take a look at it. By the time I was at the end of the driveway I knew what it was - it was the metal brake pad backing plates grinding grooves into the rotors!:facepalm:

I explained what that meant and he accepted it. By then he didn't have the money to repair it and wouldn't ask anyone else to give him the money so that's how that ended. The car needed so many other repairs the total was more than the car was worth so DW donated it.
 
I've suggested that as well. Just not that optimistic he's willing to be firm with his mom, but maybe a few more days of missed work trying to find her and dealing with the local police will help him build his courage. :(
Sounds like that nephew is in denial. What a shame. She may need more help in the future, and living in his house, he's in the perfect position to help.
 
REWahoo, glad to hear she is safe. Hopefully you can make an impact on decisions moving forward. Tough situation.
 
It's a tough situation. My brother who lives 5 hours away kept whining at me to take the keys, but he wouldn't even tell dad over the phone that he needed to stop driving. I told him a few times. He would have none of it. Went to the DMV and got his license renewed - at age 96. For free!

Truth is, I rode with my dad and my brother and my dad was a much better driver. But, things worked out in the end. Battery died. Dad called AAA 3 different times. He finally gave up and stopped driving. Died 6 months later. Once he lost the independence his car gave him, he seemed to go downhill fast.
 
Great news she is back and nothing bad happened. That is a tough deal when you need to take away their car. I had to do it my mother and it wasn't easy but needed to be done.
 
My sister-in-law, age 82, is missing and this isn't the first time she's disappeared. She left in her car at 7:30 PM yesterday and didn't return home.

She is a widow (my brother died in a car accident in 2004) who lives with my nephew and his wife in a large city and seems to anyone who meets her to be totally fine both mentally and physically. That's clearly not so as she has, on at least three occasions over the past year, decided to drive to the grocery store or some other local destination, departing either in the evening or late at night, becoming confused and lost. Each time the police found her and got her home. Once she was stopped at 2AM going the wrong way on a one-way street. Her son and his wife are unwilling (so far) to do anything to prevent this from happening beyond talking to her, which obviously isn't working. I think he is afraid of his mother, something you wouldn't expect from a man in his late 50's. Or maybe he doesn't want to be saddled with the responsibility of taking her on errands and listening to her complain she can't drive. But whatever the case, it is frustrating and scary.

Yes, I have pointed out to him she is a danger to both herself and to other people. I've asked him how he would feel if she injured or killed someone. I've discussed with him the need to get her to a doctor but he says she refuses as they are all “quacks.” I've suggested hiding her car keys or disabling her car but he has so far not given any indication he is willing take any action. DW says I've shown "remarkable restraint" in resisting the urge to scream at him during these discussions... :nonono:

The police have been notified she is missing. Hopefully she will turn up soon before something bad happens. And maybe, just maybe, this time my nephew will finally grow a pair and do something!

I read the entire thread, glad she is back this time.

If you care enough, write a letter to her DMV explaining she is a danger on the road, let them decide if she needs a test or not.

Should she fail a test and lose her license, then when police pick her up again for driving 100's of miles randomly, perhaps her dear son will get the message picking her up at the police station.

Maybe her son is ignoring the situation, perhaps because he does not want to spend the money he is afraid would be spent if she needs real care. After all it's his inheritance at risk.
 
If you care enough, write a letter to her DMV explaining she is a danger on the road, let them decide if she needs a test or not.

I'm going to give my nephew a day or two to see if he will step up. If not, I will contact the DMV.

My concern is she can probably pass the vision and driving tests as that's not where her cognitive impairment shows up - at least not until she's been out driving around all night, sleep-deprived, dehydrated and confused. :nonono:
 
Update: She is home safe. She ran out of gas around noon, about 100 miles from home. A good Samaritan stopped to see why she was stopped on the side of the road, realized something wasn't right and called 911. The police called my nephew who went to pick her up.
Wow! So she'd been driving around since 7:30PM and finally ran out of gas at noon?!?!?

OMG What a nightmare!
 
I'm going through the same thing with my 83yo father.

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Everyone hopes their parents will be reasonable and logical... agreeing calmly when it's time to give up the car keys and/or the check book.
Nope.

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NOTHING in this test assesses critical thinking (he sends hundreds of $ per month to every scam that gets crammed into his mailbox), or ability to anticipate future consequences of today's decisions (he wants to cancel his LTC insurance because the premiums are too expensive... less than 1/4 of what he sends to scammers).

These signs point to the very real possibility that he is being scammed over the phone as well. Example: Cancelling things in order to get his hands on more cash to send to the scammers to "win the prize..." is a sign of this. Once the "phone" scammers start, you may only have days or weeks to intervene to save assets. They will be calling repeatedly. Report the scamming to the US Postal Inspection Service. These law enforcement officers in the USPIS should have some advice for you as well, like changing to a new unlisted phone number. You may be able to block international numbers from his phone. Of course, that doesn't stop the scammers living in the U.S. Their investigation may help your efforts to get control of the finances.

Most people don't know that it is illegal for US citizens to enter foreign sweepstakes.

Get your name onto the LTC policy as the person to be notified if he tries to cancel or misses a payment. You can request the form from the LTC company and get him to sign it to put you and your contact into into their computer as the "safety". If he won't do that, you can still send a registered letter to the LTC company to lay it out for them, that you are in the process of trying to get help, but that he is not of sound mind and that you don't want that policy cancelled or "red-lined" (stuck at the same level without increases in the policy/benefit) for lack of payment.

Get him tested by a neuro-psychologist for cognitive decline and executive management function. Yes, it can be like walking on eggshells. Apply for guardianship (not cheap - but cheaper than his losing all his money - unless he doesn't have any). Applying for guardianship usually involves your having a lawyer and includes paying for an attorney for the elder.

A friend's mom took out a $50,000 HELOC on a paid-off house to give the money to scammers. The scammers were no doubt coaching her on the steps to take.

So, it comes down to intervening while there is money left, or intervening when the money is gone. Your dad will be mad either way. Imperceptible cognitive decline.

In our family - for an elderly relative - it finally took a professional interventionist (psychologist experienced in intervention). And, looking back, it should have happened much sooner.

Good luck.
 
Should she fail a test and lose her license, then when police pick her up again for driving 100's of miles randomly, perhaps her dear son will get the message picking her up at the police station.
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How about this as perhaps a more appropriate scenario. DM/DS looses license. She is then later caught driving without a license or some other bona fide crime.

Police and local prosecutor write up charges against her. Offer to plea bargain that if she agrees to sell vehicle, then charges will be dropped.

That way everything is above board. No extra-judicial harassing or intimidating your adult family member needed. Just perhaps a bit of nudging by the family given the situation (You don't want to go to jail do you Ma?).

I think that I saw that on another similar thread here last year.

-gauss
 
Down here in SWFL there are informational signs along I-75. During the summer they tend to display traffic information. But during the snowbird season they are used almost exclusively to display Silver Alerts. It's hard to believe that so many people go missing, but there are an awful lot of really old people down here, and most of them still drive. My neighbor was just telling me about being in court one day, and old lady was appearing for wrecking her car into a barrier. She was 98, and had totaled her Maserati. She had to do the court appearance because she was trying not to have her license revoked. She didn't prevail, thank God.
 
Sorry about your SIL Rewahoo! We lucked out with my Mom she just stopped driving one day . She was mentally okay but her driving was not great .The funny thing is when she was in her late 90's many years after she stopped driving she would tell people she was going to start driving again.We just laughed !
 
, and old lady was appearing for wrecking her car into a barrier. She was 98, and had totaled her Maserati. She had to do the court appearance because she was trying not to have her license revoked. She didn't prevail, thank God.

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Mom & Dad both slipped into Alzheimers. They wintered in Palm Springs. We were a bit worried about them driving so we put a GPS device in the OBD reader. That worked OK. But didn't solve the safety issue. We mainly wanted to see how much they were driving. At the end of the "Winter" Mrs Scrapr & I flew down to bring them back on the plane. They were resistant but ultimately did it. We reported them to DMV for a retest. They decided not to test as it was scheduled in a town 30 minutes away.

Moving them out of the house was hard. Dad was going out feet first. But once Mom found out she didn't have to cook anymore she was all in. And Dad followed. I think the Assisted Living was much different than they were expecting

The journey is almost over as Mom died in December and Dad is on hospice care :(

My MIL is still driving once a week for groceries and a hair appointment. I just took her car for an oil change. It was over a year overdue. But less than 2000 miles in a year and a half.
 
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REWahoo, I'm glad your SIL is OK. I noticed both your optimism and equanimity in this situation. I think some of us (at least me) were more worried than you. But you have dealt with this before so you have experience.

My optimism is that between ride sharing (i.e. off the books cheap taxis) and self driving cars, these issues will become less frequent in the future. Hopefully, I have quite a while to go before I should turn in the keys, and in the mean time I hope to become accustomed to Uber-ish services and self driving cars.
 
Glad your SIL was found.

My father had problems driving. He was losing the sensation in his feet and wasn't braking well. I asked his neurologist if it were best if he stopped driving, but my father turned the big, sad, blues on her and she whimped out. Said. . . well if he stays close to home. . .

My sons ended up taking the keys and driving him where he wanted to go. Dad was upset for a bit, but adjusted.
 
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Glad your SIL was found and she was OK.

We live across the country from my MIL. She is still pretty sharp mentally most of the time - does volunteer work for several organizations, lives in a very small town and knows everyone. DH’s brother lives in the same town, which is really good. However, she does have dementia and she told me today that she forgot where she parked her car and had to get the local police to help her find it. One of her friends called us and said she has backed into a couple of parked cars and that she probably shouldn’t be driving.

She is very independent and lives alone. Her greatest joy is driving to another local town nearby and having a meal and talking with people. DH and I decided we did not want to try to take her independence away at this point. She doesn’t drive at night and drives slowly on country roads. Most people in the area know her. She would be miserable house-bound and really loves her lifestyle. Maybe in time action will be required, but we are hoping that she will realize when it’s no longer safe for her to be out and about. Maybe then she will move into a local assisted living home.
 
It was tough taking the keys away from my 92 year old FIL about three years ago, but he graciously got comfortable with the situation.

It's funny though, he still clutches his room key (assisted living) everywhere he goes even though the room has never been locked. Keys are overrated.
 
I used the rehab program through a local hospital to convince mom to stop driving.

They took her on a short trip to evaluate her driving.

And told her she shouldn't drive anymore.

Coming from medical personnel was a more convincing argument than from me.
 
It has to be hard when it’s a sister-in-law in a different city and your brother has been gone for so many years. Not much you can do to directly help but be supportive and worry :(. Are there other nieces and nephews you could reach out to in a group email (including the nephew your SIL lives with) or something to ask about her?
 
It has to be hard when it’s a sister-in-law in a different city and your brother has been gone for so many years. Not much you can do to directly help but be supportive and worry

I'm not sure how well I'm going to be able to walk the fine line between concerned/supportive and overbearing buttinski.

Are there other nieces and nephews you could reach out to in a group email (including the nephew your SIL lives with) or something to ask about her?

Yes, I also have niece living in the same area as her mom. Unfortunately she is in poor health and I'm not sure how much she can assist. I tried to contact her yesterday but was unable to reach her but I will keep trying.
 
I'm not sure how well I'm going to be able to walk the fine line between concerned/supportive and overbearing buttinski.
In our case, getting some neutral third party opinions was the key. A neurologist, and a few months later a geriatric psychiatrist. To get DM to the neurologist we made a deal with her - if he gave her the green light, we'd support her driving a and even help her get her a new car if she wanted.

Getting a neutral opinion from the local sheriff, a social worker, or / and a physician might help when dealing with other family members. It helps shift the conversation away from "your opinion" to "what the professionals recommend".
 

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