Wow, it’s getting really scary in Texas - and everywhere else!

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"Coronavirus will never be eradicated Dr. Anthony Fauci

But, as another poster pointed out, I actually took it as a positive message. We’ll simply have to manage and learn to live with this virus, but in much better circumstances than we have today:
I think with the combination of good public health measures, a degree of global herd immunity, and a good vaccine, which I hope and feel cautiously optimistic that we will get, I think when you put all three of those together, we will get very good control of this. Whether it's this year or next year, I'm not certain, but I think ultimately, with the combination of good public health measures and a vaccine, that we may not eradicate it, but I think we will bring it down to such a low level that we will not be in the position that we are in right now for an extended period of time.

Fauci's comments about Covid not being eradicated: it sounds ominous and earth shaking, but in fact it is neither. Only one disease has ever been eradicated: smallpox.
I'm not sure I like the timing of his message either. I see some people saying screw it, it's never going away, I'm just going to go out and live my life i.e. party.
Well, his message was obviously much more comprehensive than that, and actually quite hopeful to me.

There will always be the black and white thinkers - it’s definitely been a challenge with this virus.
 
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Florida reported 173 deaths and 10,249 infections. Florida has 52 contact tracers for the entire state. One person in our condo has the virus and is isolating. He is on the 2nd floor our unit is on the 6th floor. He told the property manager that he received a call from a contact tracer who informed him that he had contracted COVID-19 (which he already knew) and had to shelter in place but did not ask where he had been recently and to whom he was in contact with. So I'm guessing they have given up with contact tracing with the high number of infections.

https://www.local10.com/news/local/...da-covid-19-cases-new-deaths-record-reported/
 
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OMG! I can’t believe Florida only has 52 contact tracers!!!

As of June 30, Texas has 2800 contact tracers, with a goal of 4000.
 
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"Maybe we should be parking refrigerator trucks outside local hospitals in areas not yet affected."

Probably be more effective to park them in front of night clubs, churches, and restaurants.

The delay in test results makes contract tracing close to useless.
 
We need that quickie spit (or whatever) home or at work test kit that gives the results. This has got to be a national priority!

The whole testing situation is untenable.
 
Taiwan is 10th most densely populated country on the planet. It had 7 Covid Deaths, (At this rate US would have about 100 deaths total) economy if fully functioning, schools are opened, people are employed etc.

Even though there is almost no spread Taiwanese wear masks and can get Covid test result within an hours.

I had been interested in the Taiwanese situation for a while since I had seen they were back playing baseball in stadiums full of fans. What they did in Taiwan starting back in March was--anyone entering the country had to quarantine for 14 days (fines if did not comply), free rapid tests for everyone, if you test positive you must isolate, thorough contract tracing, fines for those that did not isolate, required face coverings everywhere, fines if you violate. What they did seems to have worked, Taiwan is pretty much back to normal now. This shows that just passing regulations is not enough--there must be enforcement with stiff fines to get people to follow the rules.
 
We need that quickie spit (or whatever) home or at work test kit that gives the results. This has got to be a national priority!

The whole testing situation is untenable.

The Brits are also working on a saliva test.

This will be interesting. A lot of people that tested negative on the nasal pharyngeal swab may turn up positive on a saliva test. Salivary glands are immune privileged and some theories, backed by autopsy tests, suggest the virus "hides" there.
 
DH read about a saliva test that was far more accurate than the nasal test we are currently using.
 
DH read about a saliva test that was far more accurate than the nasal test we are currently using.

Would you be able to find that article and post it?

I think a lot of people in the long haul community believe they still have the virus and their current symptoms are not post-viral fatigue or dysautonomia. I am familiar with two cases in the support groups where the people presented with GI symptoms and tested negative multiple times for the virus with the nasal pharyngeal swabs. After months of debilitating symptoms, including one case where the patient had emergency gall bladder removal surgery, these two people were able to obtain a commercially available stool test via doctors. Both reported they tested positive with the stool test.

The problem with the virus test and the testing protocol that was developed here was the incorrect assumption that COVID is a respiratory virus. It's not. It's a virus that will attack any tissue that has ACE-2 receptors. There is also increasing evidence that it can reside in immune privileged places in the body, including the salivary glands. My understanding is the Chinese use three types of tests - nasal pharyngeal swabs, saliva tests, and stool tests. We need to revise our testing to be equally comprehensive.
 
AZ governor extends closures beyond July 27th

Arizona bars, gyms, theaters, water parks to remain closed; school start date still Aug. 17. The governor's closure order, which also caps public gatherings at 50 people, will come up for review every two weeks.

COVID testing continues to lag well behind the virus' community spread in spite of efforts to expand testing. Test results on average are taking 9-12 days.

In an effort to improve test result turn around time, specimens collected at the two federal testing sites in Phoenix are being sent out of state.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services will process specimens from those locations in other states, relieving Arizona labs of having to process additional tests. According to the governor's spokesperson, those results are expected to come back in two to four days.
 
Wow, it’s getting really scary in Texas!

Well, it’s now hot here in the state of Washington. The governor has rolled us back to a more restrictive set of rules. Fewer people at restaurants and only household members with you at the table, max of 5. No alcohol service after 10pm.


https://mynorthwest.com/2042684/gov-inslee-tightens-weddings-funerals-restaurants-bars-gyms/


“For restaurants and bars:
• Indoor dining is limited to members of the same household. Put simply: If you’re looking for a seat with people you don’t share a home with, sit outside. If you’re there with people who are in your household, you’ll be allowed to sit indoors. We are taking this step because we believe it reduces the potential for exposure and transmission in dine-in settings.
• Restaurants must also close down vending game areas – like pool tables, darts, video games – until Phase 4.
• In Phase 3, table size will be reduced to 5 and occupancy to 50% indoors.
• Alcohol service at restaurants must end at 10 p.m.
• Bars will be closed for indoor service. Bars are defined as… taverns, breweries, wineries, and distilleries – regardless of their ability to provide food service.

Fitness guidance:
• In Phase 2, only 5 individuals – not including staff – are allowed for indoor fitness services at a time. This includes gyms, fitness studios, and indoor pools, ice rinks, volleyball courts, and tennis facilities. These are limited to small group instruction or private training, not to exceed five participants.
• Fitness center occupancy in Phase 3 will be reduced to 25%. All group fitness classes are limited to no more than 10, not including the instructor.


Other rollbacks:
• Prohibiting indoor family entertainment and recreation centers – like mini golf, bowling alleys, and arcades – from being open until Phase 4.
• Prohibiting indoor card rooms from being open until Phase 4.
• Indoor movie theater occupancy will be limited to 25% in Phase 3.

Expansion to mask mandate”

Sec. John Wiesman, Washington State Department of Health, said that wearing a face covering is showing promising results, especially in Yakima County where the mandate took effect even before a statewide action. Wiesman said the local health district has reported about a 95% compliance rate.

Wiesman then announced an expansion to his statewide mask mandate. He is asking all residents to wear a face covering in common areas, including in elevators, hallways, university housing, hotels, motels, and assisted living facilities. The expansion will take effect on Saturday, July 25.


“I know many of us are tired and wish we could go back to the way it was before,” Wiesman said.

As for backyard barbecues and gatherings, Inslee emphasized that there are laws in place about the size of gatherings and face coverings. He specifically asked parents to insist that their teens and kids in their 20s act responsibly.

“All I can do is ask at this point — technically it is a crime, it is a misdemeanor — but it’s worse than that. You can kill someone you love,” Inslee”
 
Yea. It's heating up in WA state. But, the west side (most populated) is holding steady) with the east side of the state heating up. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/washington-coronavirus-cases.html#cases
At least Yakima county is finally getting a handle on it. I live in the Seattle suburbs (cascade foot hills) and I have seen nearly everyone wearing masks ...even when simply pumping gas. Folks just need to get back to being smart like we mostly were in April when we were the nation's first epicenter.
 
Really gruesome news keeps coming out of the Rio Grande Valley situation.

There is now a 2 week wait list on crematoriums, so Hidalgo county now has 5 refrigerator trucks to store bodies that can hold 50 bodies each.
https://www.click2houston.com/news/...exas-sets-one-day-record-for-covid-19-deaths/

The poor hospital in neighboring Starr county. I think the Navy sent some nurses and doctors. But they are completely out of room for patients and aren’t able to send more to neighboring counties. Their 8 bed COVID unit now holds 28 people. They are running out of oxygen. So they are now setting up triage and deciding whom to admit based on survival criteria and whom to send back home. Yes, this is a very poor county with limited resources.
https://www.wwlp.com/news/health/co...s-county-hospital-takes-in-covid-19-patients/
 
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197 deaths in Texas in a day, but the population is 30 million people.

I didn't realize Texas was so big.
 
197 deaths in Texas in a day, but the population is 30 million people.

I didn't realize Texas was so big.

Yes, Texas is huge in terms of land and population. CA is the most populous state.

Here is a list of the top ten most populated states in the country:

California (Population: 39,747,267)
Texas (Population: 29,087,070)
Florida (Population: 21,646,155)
New York (Population: 19,491,339)
Pennsylvania (Population: 12,813,969)
Illinois (Population: 12,700,381)
Ohio (Population: 11,718,568)
Georgia (Population: 10,627,767)
North Carolina (Population: 10,497,741)
Michigan (Population: 10,020,472)

https://worldpopulationreview.com/states
 
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Right. The general mortality for older people is about 1.7million per year for the USA. If you say Texas has about 8% of the population of the USA, then you might expect 372 people in Texas to die of old age per day in a average year.

I guess the numbers get amazing when you get big populations.
 
^ And three of the 10 largest US cities are in Texas: Houston (4), San Antonio (7) and Dallas (9)
And if you go out to 15 largest US cities, you get 5 total, adding Austin(11) and Fort Worth(13).
 
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197 deaths in Texas in a day, but the population is 30 million people.

I didn't realize Texas was so big.
Right. The general mortality for older people is about 1.7million per year for the USA. If you say Texas has about 8% of the population of the USA, then you might expect 372 people in Texas to die of old age per day in a average year.

I guess the numbers get amazing when you get big populations.
Not quite sure what you’re trying to get at, but 197 daily deaths sustained probably makes COVID-19 the leading cause of death at the moment in TX.

I just have a link to CDC data from 2017 and earlier. Dying of old age/natural causes is not in the top 10.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/texas/texas.htm
 
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