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There are probably plenty of us here on ER that are regular meditators, and there are probably even more that aren't. There are not many actions I can take, personally, that would make the world a better place, but I was thinking that if even one person was able to understand themselves better through meditation, that would improve the world, however slightly. So I figured I'd write this post.

Dismissive attitudes abound when talking about meditation, introspection, or living an examined life. I'd like to address one impression that I think might be common to see if it rings true with you. Is meditation selfish? After all, you're taking time away from helping others when you sit in stillness, and do nothing. But one might think a bit more about it to assess the overall impact of meditation. If you come to better recognize how your own mind works, will you not be able to contribute more effectively to the world? If you understand how your mind operates, can put more attention into the space between stimulus and response? In the known universe, humans are probably unique in that regard. In my case, looking at my thoughts before reacting seems to make me less of an *******, and I think that's not an uncommon result for people to experience.

What prompted this post was a podcast I heard the other day where Dan Harris (retired journalist for ABC News) interviewed Sam Harris (philosopher, neuroscientist, author, podcaster). The two men are not related, they've just got the same last name. The interview lasts about an hour and covers mostly the topic of meditation and how it fits into provable scientific observations. Here's the rundown from the web site:

The psychological benefits of quitting Twitter
Vipassana meditation vs. Dzogchen
The practice of looking for the looker
Sam’s views on the metaphysics of meditation and psychic powers
https://www.tenpercent.com/tph/podcast-episode/sam-harris-2023

There's a bit of "inside baseball" in this interview, but you don't need a background in meditation styles to benefit from listening; the concepts discussed are easy to follow.

Full disclosure: I think Sam Harris is a smart guy and I have been using the mobile application that addresses 'the examined life', which includes meditation, that he produces. I have tried the mobile application that Dan Harris produces too, but I'm not a subscriber to that one.

If you search Sam Harris, you're likely to find some headline grabbing distortions, but if you take the time to understand the complete topic, you will probably conclude that Sam's positions are quite sound, reasonable, and consistent. Like I said, a pretty smart guy. Equally reviled by the left and the right, and reviled by the religious for being an atheist, and even somewhat reviled by the anti-spiritual types for being pro-spirituality and not ruling out that there might be more to the universe than humans have the capacity to fathom.

Back to the interview that prompted this post, the reason I thought this might be helpful is that they talk about the nature of mind. And I should mention that nothing here would necessarily displace a person's mystical beliefs (i.e. religion). Most of us walk around with the feeling that there's homunculus in our head that's receiving the signals, making decisions, and pulling the levers. In the interview, they talk about how this idea holds-up under two styles of meditation (dual and non-dual awareness). Vipassana is what our recent culture has been calling non-secular mindfulness. Dzogchen is what is called non-dual awareness, where there's a technique that attempts to uncover the sense that when you look for what's noticing things, there's really nothing to find (no self). Lots of paradoxes here, which makes people uncomfortable. If you've ever tried one of those "Magic Eye" images, where you see just a jumble of seemingly random patterns, and then an image that has been there all along finally pops out and is recognized, that seems analogous to being able to practice non-dual awareness. But that insight isn't required to become a better person through insight attained from understating your own mind.

If you listen to the podcast and want to get into or enhance your meditation practice with a mobile app, I'll mention a few specifics. Ten Percent Happier (Dan Harris) is $100/yr with a 7 day free trial. Waking Up (Sam Harris) is $120/yr with a 14 day free trial. Both, I suspect require a credit card and you get billed unless you cancel. There are a few more facts here that wouldn't be obvious unless you did some digging. You can get 30 day free trial on Sam's app if someone already on the app invites you. The person that does the inviting does not benefit in any way, so if someone here would rather have a 30 day trial rather than 14, PM me and we can try that for your benefit. The other more important thing about Sam's app is that he doesn't want anyone to not use the app because of affordability. So if your budget doesn't allow for $120/yr, you can write to the support team and say your budget can manage $X, and they will let you subscribe for that amount.

We all know that most new years resolutions don't continue very long. I suggest that you try, though, to become a meditator. There's technology now to help you do that. Again, I'm highly biased toward's Sam Harris' style of teaching the practice, and the Waking Up app. The app not only has instruction from dozens of meditation teachers, but also "examined life" kinds of topics like William Irvine's "The Stoic Path", Oliver Burkeman's "Time Management for Mortals", and other audio by authors and topic experts like these. This probably seems like a pitch for a mobile meditation app, and this app in particular. But that's because it's the only app I know. There are probably other apps that would work for you. But I really feel that an app, whatever one you select, is the right way to learn and continue to practice mindfulness. Whether you use one of the two apps I've mentioned or another one, guided meditations are really the way to start and/or keep your practice alive. I started meditation before mobile devices existed. I learned from books, which is another approach. But even back then, you often were offered guided meditations on audio tapes. The current technology makes it easy, and it's my opinion that you leverage the technology, become a person who meditates and be the best person you can be. I wish you the best fate in the upcoming year, and beyond.
 
I have meditated off and on for many years. Meditating finally became a daily practice a few months ago. This has really helped me deal with the stress of the moment. I mostly listen to the guided meditations and dharma talks available on the Audio Dharma podcast. This is published by the Insight Meditation Center. They teach Vipassana. Many of their events are livestreamed. All these resources are free, though of course they do ask for donations.

https://www.insightmeditationcenter.org/
 
I regularly attend a local sangha that practices insight meditation (Vipassana). They have quarterly intro sessions for new practitioners and regular sits for members. Dana (gifting) is expected, but there's no fixed amount and no real tracking. It's based on an honor system and ability to give.

Another option, beyond the apps that you mention, is to look for a local center. One of the plusses of everything going online, is that a lot of these centers now support all sits/talks over Zoom. That's how I regularly attend nowadays.

The apps are also a good alternative. The science behind meditation was convincing enough for me to start practicing regularly years ago. I'm not always consistent, but I see a personal benefit when I practice. And I agree with your assessment regarding selfishness. I'm (hopefully) a better person to others due to meditating.
 
I mediate every day. Yet another perk of being retired as I have the time. I like to mix it up--some guided, some binaural beats, light piano, etc


I like to just focus on stillness and my breath, in and out. When I do it my respiration slows down which slows down my thinking. I attempt to take that feeling of calmness into real life situations that might disturb me. It's a practice.
 
Thanks for this thread, although A heavy topic to be reading about late at night when I can’t fall back to sleep. Do any of these meditation techniques help with sleep? I would like to find something ( non-chemical) that does help sleep.
I have been considering trying meditation but was unsure where to start. This certainly gives me some ideas to explore. I have a good friend who practices Transcendental Meditation TM but I’ve not scheduled an in person session to learn.
Also, I do Peloton and the app has many meditation classes and various techniques to explore. Has anyone tried these?
 
I tried to meditate a few times without success. Too many monkeys in my brain. Then I discovered Tai Chi and Qigong with slow movements. Once becoming familiar with the proper positioning to where it became accurate and automatic it became meditative. Years later some medical issues and a loss of balance interfered.
Now I take early morning rides on a recumbent trike. I don't have to worry about balance and the seating position is so comfortable I don't have to do much more than enjoy the ride. That has become my meditation and a way to enjoy the moment without thinking.
 
Like Badger above, I’ve tried to meditate several times but my mind races if I’m still. I’ve done yoga (9 months) and read several books over the years without success (Chodron, Salzburg, Tolle). So I must not have found the right source to learn from, but I’d sure like to learn.
 
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I have the Calm app due to a special deal on the lifetime subscription. I don't use it much. The bedtime stories don't seem to be very effective for making me sleep. The meditation just seems like I'm wasting time but never got into that much.

There was a guy with 20 years of anxiety that posted elsewhere that he was able to relieve his anxiety by meditating 5 hours per day. That's quite an investment of time. I can't imagine doing that. Even a short time isn't easy.
 
Meditating is hard. I wouldn’t give up because your mind wanders. That is part of the practice. Just do your best to sit consistently, maybe start with 10-20 min a day. Commit to yourself that you will last that time and when the mind wanders, bring it back to your focal point (usually your breath). If it goes badly, that’s ok. I would even say that’s what you want, since that makes you work. Not every sit goes well and if it did, then you must be Buddha. :)

I think of meditating like exercise for your mind. Like any exercise, it’s not easy when you first start.

And my mind always wanders. That’s ok. You become better at it with time and even start to recognize patterns. A lot of meditators will have you associate a word with your thought, recognizing and accepting the thought before moving back to your focal point.

I’ve felt that meditation helps me deal with stressful situations. It’s almost a trigger now, where when I feel stress/anxiety coming up, I know I can go back to my breath and observe what’s happening in my body (what feelings arise, etc). It’s weird to describe, but it works for me and I assume others have the same benefit.

I would think it also would help with sleep. Training the mind to focus is relaxing. There are a number of times during a longer sit where I will (unintentionally) start to doze off.
 
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Just do your best to sit consistently, maybe start with 10-20 min a day.
Start with 10-20 mins? So, how long am I supposed to do this? I mean when I become a full-up meditator? That's a lot of time everyday without relent to just zone out and think/feel/contemplate/touch/experience.... they have many ways of describing it depending on who you're listening to. And it's better if you do more? I'll admit to some therapeutic value in taking a few minutes to "clear one's mind" however you want to define that, but why drag it out? Where is the point of diminishing returns/jumping the shark? I can't help but get suspicious when it's "packaged" the way mediation has been the past 20 years.

I like Sam Harris on most subjects. He sounds like me to me and others have told me he sounds like me. But his near fetish for "eastern religions" and hallucinogenic drugs is like a big intellectual speed bump for me.
 
I get my fix through endurance sports – cycling, trail running, speed hiking and Nordic skiing.
Nothing is more soothing to my brain than 5-6+ hours of zone two training.
I choose times and places where there will be little contact with other humans.
I have tried meditation enough to know it is not for me.
No amount of deep rhythmic breathing can take my mind out of the hyperloop, while exercise does it effortlessly.
 
Start with 10-20 mins? So, how long am I supposed to do this? I mean when I become a full-up meditator? That's a lot of time everyday without relent to just zone out and think/feel/contemplate/touch/experience.... they have many ways of describing it depending on who you're listening to. And it's better if you do more? I'll admit to some therapeutic value in taking a few minutes to "clear one's mind" however you want to define that, but why drag it out? Where is the point of diminishing returns/jumping the shark? I can't help but get suspicious when it's "packaged" the way mediation has been the past 20 years.

I like Sam Harris on most subjects. He sounds like me to me and others have told me he sounds like me. But his near fetish for "eastern religions" and hallucinogenic drugs is like a big intellectual speed bump for me.

Sure, lots of things that are helpful/popular will be monetized. Easy enough to ignore. Do what works best for you.

As for how long, that can vary. When I practice regularly, I’ll do a long sit once a week for about 40 min and otherwise 20 min/day. It goes by quickly for me and I find it relaxing. Plus, if I look at all the other ways I spend time, 20 min isn’t that much.

Some people do more and others less. Find what works best for you. There is no “right” answer.

There are tons of resources available and a lot of them are free or cost a minimal amount. It costs you nothing to meditate on your own.
 
I get my fix through endurance sports – cycling, trail running, speed hiking and Nordic skiing.
Nothing is more soothing to my brain than 5-6+ hours of zone two training.
I choose times and places where there will be little contact with other humans.
I have tried meditation enough to know it is not for me.
No amount of deep rhythmic breathing can take my mind out of the hyperloop, while exercise does it effortlessly.

+1. Some people aren’t wired for meditation, but find similar calming effect through activities. I have a good friend who does this through running.

Different type of meditation practices can make a difference too. I’ve never done TM, but apparently the mantras creates an easier focus to help with the meditation.
 
I practice mindfulness and meditation daily. I often use the Calm app for breathing, they also have guided meditation if needed, Usually, I just listen to some of my favorite calming music on it, sometimes do yoga exercises.
I often do not have a set 30 minute session, but I can quiet my mind and breath fairly quickly and reset my tension/anxiety/stress level just about anytime, anywhere now.

You asked if it was selfish? Absolutely not, no more than if someone is out running, biking, golfing, etc. I am taking care of my body and mind. I am then much more able to take care of others as need be.
 
Sure, lots of things that are helpful/popular will be monetized. Easy enough to ignore. Do what works best for you.

As for how long, that can vary. When I practice regularly, I’ll do a long sit once a week for about 40 min and otherwise 20 min/day. It goes by quickly for me and I find it relaxing. Plus, if I look at all the other ways I spend time, 20 min isn’t that much.

Some people do more and others less. Find what works best for you. There is no “right” answer.

There are tons of resources available and a lot of them are free or cost a minimal amount. It costs you nothing to meditate on your own.


Thanks for the succinct and quantified information. 20 mins a day is what I would call "not all that much. ie. Quite Do-able. And a once-a-week long session, is not excessive either. In fact it sounds like most of my exercise routines. Actually, my exercise routines run a tad longer. But if I lay meditation on top of exercise now we're talking too much time commitment, at least on my calendar, and I don't want to decrease my exercising.
 
+1. Some people aren’t wired for meditation, but find similar calming effect through activities. I have a good friend who does this through running.

Different type of meditation practices can make a difference too. I’ve never done TM, but apparently the mantras creates an easier focus to help with the meditation.
I'm afraid I might be one of those that isn't wired for meditation because I have severe tinnitus. There is no "quiet place" for me. It's not masked by a fan or white noise either. It's too bad, because the tinnitus also causes a continuous state of anxiety, which might benefit from meditation. An hour of exercise getting my heart rate up helps the anxiety, but it's back to the starting gate the next morning.
You asked if it was selfish? Absolutely not, no more than if someone is out running, biking, golfing, etc. I am taking care of my body and mind. I am then much more able to take care of others as need be.
Yeah, would be a shame if we couldn't do anything for ourselves for health or entertainment without it being considered selfish by someone. I hadn't heard that take before.
 
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Meditation sounds a lot like prayer, though prayer makes the assumption that someone is listening besides ourselves (and maybe answering.) I guess whatever w*rks for you is good - and it's certainly not selfish IMHO. I've "wasted" years of my life in mindless entertainment (TV, movies, sports, hobbies, heh, heh, FIRE Forum, etc.) Those were hours I could have perhaps better spent on helping others. But the time you spend examining your life, your thinking, your past, your future, your relationships, your spirituality, seems unselfish at least to me. YMMV.
 
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I've tried some meditation in the past, and didn't find it particularly helpful, nor sustainable, due to either using an uncomfortable posture or falling asleep. I started swimming laps during my last year of college, and except during residency, sustained the practice on a regular basis until I was 31 and pregnant. I swam on and off, until retirement, when I started swimming regularly. Then Covid hit. I returned to swimming last year, and have found to be much more of a deliberate, meditative practice than it ever was in the past.

Regular breathing, no interruptions, and a steady rhythm allows a free flow of thoughts then concentrating on technique while reflecting. Of course breathing is rhythmic and steady and is the only sound I hear while swimming. It feels like a meditation when all is said and done.
 
I am generally shocked and dismayed by the lack of interest most people show in understanding how their own minds work.

Our senses and the limited information stored in the hunks of meat we call our brains are so limited, yet most people consider those limited impulses to be a concrete understanding of how things are and should be. What would happen if everyone could experience just one moment free from the filters of their own mental impressions?

And how and why do our sensations of pleasure and pain arise, both physical and mental? Few people question pleasure when their lives are going well. They only look for ways to maintain and expand the pleasurable conditions for themselves and those they choose to love. But only change is permanent, and when conditions change, there is often much suffering.

There's nothing mystical, religious, woo-woo, or selfish about trying to understand how the body/mind works. How could it possibly be selfish to try to understand the senses we use to comprehend the world when their commonly-accepted interpretations often cause so much suffering?

Sengsational, I hope that your post gets a few more people looking into this very important issue of understanding the root of suffering.
 
I'm afraid I might be one of those that isn't wired for meditation because I have severe tinnitus. There is no "quiet place" for me. It's not masked by a fan or white noise either. It's too bad, because the tinnitus also causes a continuous state of anxiety, which might benefit from meditation. An hour of exercise getting my heart rate up helps the anxiety, but it's back to the starting gate the next morning.

That quiet place isn't no noise—it's no attachment to noise.
 
My DGF meditates every day with much success, plus uses the Calm App at night.
Not so much for me, but am naturally calm overall.
 
I am generally shocked and dismayed by the lack of interest most people show in understanding how their own minds work.

Our senses and the limited information stored in the hunks of meat we call our brains are so limited, yet most people consider those limited impulses to be a concrete understanding of how things are and should be. What would happen if everyone could experience just one moment free from the filters of their own mental impressions?

And how and why do our sensations of pleasure and pain arise, both physical and mental? Few people question pleasure when their lives are going well. They only look for ways to maintain and expand the pleasurable conditions for themselves and those they choose to love. But only change is permanent, and when conditions change, there is often much suffering.

There's nothing mystical, religious, woo-woo, or selfish about trying to understand how the body/mind works. How could it possibly be selfish to try to understand the senses we use to comprehend the world when their commonly-accepted interpretations often cause so much suffering?

Sengsational, I hope that your post gets a few more people looking into this very important issue of understanding the root of suffering.

My brain is mostly fat :

An average adult brain weighs 3 pounds and is composed of 60% fat, with water, protein, carbohydrates, and salt accounting for the other 40%. The brain is an organ made up of neural tissue. It is not a muscle.
 
Sengsational, I hope that your post gets a few more people looking into this very important issue of understanding the root of suffering.
I didn't see anyone mention suffering, but you did three time! There are different roots of suffering. I don't think meditation is going to be practical or help much with all of them. 5 hours of meditation to address anxiety disorder sounds like a tremendous investment of time and isn't practical, for example, as I mentioned earlier.
 
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That quiet place isn't no noise—it's no attachment to noise.
Which doesn't exist with severe tinnitus. The noise is always attached. There is no quiet place to do meditation or even sleep.
 
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