Heading under 10,000 on the way!

Something looks very fishy about this 'blip' in the chart...

I was just reading on Yahoo finance about "conflicting reports that a trading error at a major firm on the NYSE was a contributing factor". If so, someone's rear end is in deep doo-doo. I can imagine the suits scurrying around trying to find someone to blame.
 
I was out working in the yard and missed the big dip. When coming back in the house, looked at my screen of MS Money Portfolio Manager, and saw that one of my ETFs, XSD, had its price reported in the pennies, or something such. Just shrugged it off because I knew it wasn't "real". But was it a glitch in MS Money price reporting, or some trades actually went through at that price?
 
I was sitting here working and happened to turn on CNBC to see the coverage of the Greek protests and imagine my surprise to see the DOW free falling about 800 points in the blink of an eye, it seemed. :eek:

This was no accident, IMHO. I think we're all grownups by now since this economic meltdown occured. There was someone behind the curtain pulling some levers today. As a typical not-very-sophisticated investor, I wouldn't put one more dime into the stock market. :nonono:
 
Fishy, or just wrong...
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People putting in stop-loss orders got a big whiplash today.

Oops... What if they turn happy tomorrow? :hide:
 
This was no accident, IMHO. I think we're all grownups by now since this economic meltdown occured. There was someone behind the curtain pulling some levers today.

I think that's a very good point. Most of us learned from the experience of 2008-2009.
 
Ever an optimist, I hope that the Greek fiasco will teach the world that a gummint's promise is not worth the paper its money is printed on.

Oh, never mind! It is not like no country has gone down that path before.:facepalm: It is not really possible to learn from someone else's problem. People just have to make the same mistakes anew.
 
I was sitting here working and happened to turn on CNBC to see the coverage of the Greek protests and imagine my surprise to see the DOW free falling about 800 points in the blink of an eye, it seemed. :eek:

This was no accident, IMHO. I think we're all grownups by now since this economic meltdown occured. There was someone behind the curtain pulling some levers today. As a typical not-very-sophisticated investor, I wouldn't put one more dime into the stock market. :nonono:

Follow the story on CNBC that it was triggered by trader error and traced back to CITI!!!! Which just happens to have a large government ownership.:mad:
 
I was sitting here working and happened to turn on CNBC to see the coverage of the Greek protests and imagine my surprise to see the DOW free falling about 800 points in the blink of an eye, it seemed. :eek:

:nonono:



I was sitting on my deck and decided to check the news . Watching that free fall was truly frightening !
 
I blame Iceland. First the volcano, now this. They have it in for Europe for sure.
 
probably some fool on his blackberry texting and driving.

"SELL PG 16b mkt"
 
From CNBC via Yahoo Finance:

"
A human trading error at a major firm was the root cause of Thursday's sudden, 9 percent selloff in U.S. stocks, sources told CNBC.


Multiple sources said a trader entered the letter "b"-as in "billion"-when he or she meant to type "m," for "million," shortly before 2:47 p.m. New York time.
U.S. stocks plunged suddenly, briefly by more than 9 percent, before pulling back to a near 3 percent drop, as investor worries mounted that Greece's debt problems could spread.
Sources also told CNBC that the firm in question is Citigroup. "
 
:facepalm: It is not really possible to learn from someone else's problem. People just have to make the same mistakes anew.

It seems to be impossible to learn from even our own errors.

Ha
 
An object lesson in why not to use stop-loss orders.

Yeah, but but you only lose 7-8% max with stop losses, and your upside is limitless!! :D :D :D

Interesting that the dip was so rapid and roughly the magnitude of the "conventional" wisdom to set your stop losses at 7-8-10% of the trailing stock price to "lock in gains" or "limit downside losses". Works great until you see a black swan day where you have intraday volatility of 9%, and subsequent recovery of most of that.
 
Yeah, but but you only lose 7-8% max with stop losses, and your upside is limitless!! :D :D :D

Interesting that the dip was so rapid and roughly the magnitude of the "conventional" wisdom to set your stop losses at 7-8-10% of the trailing stock price to "lock in gains" or "limit downside losses". Works great until you see a black swan day where you have intraday volatility of 9%, and subsequent recovery of most of that.
And that was the market overall, not individual stocks. If you held PG at 62 and put a trailing stop at 55, it may not have been executed until the price dipped under 40.

And I saw Accenture shares reportedly trade for $0.01. If you held it at 40 and put in a trailing stop at 36..... **ouch**
 
I'd guess the phone lines are burning up w/margin calls. Could have a nasty dip at the open.

Been going back and forth for months on my AA, but in the end I didn't make any changes so I'm still at 60 stocks/30 cash/10 bonds...maybe not after today..:(
 
An object lesson in why not to use stop-loss orders.

Ha

Yeah, but but you only lose 7-8% max with stop losses, and your upside is limitless!! :D :D :D

Yep, and it gets real funny when they get hit with a drop after the market is closed. A 10% stop loss won't mean much if your stock opens in the AM 50% down (and they do sometimes)!

I'd guess the phone lines are burning up w/margin calls. Could have a nasty dip at the open.

Hmmm, might buy some calls in the AM. Not something I do very often, but we don't see drops like this very often either.

-ERD50
 
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