update...more concerns
OK, I have been on the phone to Vanguard today and it is almost like calling the IRS--I get seemingly different answers from different people.
You probably want to recharacterize into a new tIRA account. After you recharacterize you cannot Roth convert those assets again until the end of 2015 or for 30 days, whichever is longer. You probably don't want to mingle recharacterized assets with Roth conversion eligible assets in one account.
Animorph, the first specialist told me that I could NOT create a new traditional IRA to send the Roth contents back to. She said that it had to go back to the same account it came from. Later a second specialist told me that was not true; I can create a new one if I want. The "IRA Recharacterization Form", Form RCAF, seems to agree with that.
However, the second specialist threw me a curve ball. On page 3 of 5 of Form RCAF, there is a section at the bottom, "Additional holding for remaining recharacterization amount
required", which baffled me (still does!). His explanation stunned me and I am hoping someone here can straighten me out.
He tells me that the IRS considers all of my Roths (I have three) to be one big Roth. If I want to recharacterize Roth 2 and Roth 3 because they lost value (why else?), the gain or loss of Roth 1 must also be included, using a percentage. (WHAT
) Establishing separate Roths is only for 'my accounting purposes' and makes no difference to the IRS. (What does that mean?) It sounds like if Roth 1 had large gains (counting from the day of the conversion to Roths 2 & 3), it could negate the losses in Roths 2 & 3.
I am going to go back to Vanguard and find a senior specialist who has been there a few years (this specialist sounded like he had not started to shave yet) and ask again, but I would be most grateful if someone here who has actually done this (Animorph?) could illuminate me.
Thanks,
Ed