Notmuchlonger
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With both hands and a swivel waist.
Did you say something?
With both hands and a swivel waist.
Look on the bright side, though-- you are paying much less in state tax than people in states with healthy university systems, so it all evens out in the end, right?
91% of Americans couldn't find their ass with a map and a compass.
Of the over 1,000 American adults surveyed in the poll conducted March 14-16, 65% said they are "very concerned" about inflation, and 26% said they are "somewhat concerned."
.but that doesn't mean I think the techies at the BLS are cheating me.
One of the things I always stick in any post I make on the CPI, which often goes unread as people rush to counteract the "black helicopters" that I dont think actually exist, is that I have no doubt the CPI is a good and accurate measurement for what it is.
Its not a good and effective measurement for all inflation (the BLS even says so) nor is it effective for everyone (the BLS even says so), and I think its a relatively poor marker for an early retiree that owns a home, pays their own health care, and may have a lot of cost around food, energy, travel and entertainment.
We're also not helped by the long term trends of wages outpacing inflation to keep things more fairly adjusted.
So I think the dividing line here are folks who make note of what the BLS says: CPI-U is not THE measure of inflation, but only A measure of inflation for a slice of society that really isnt like most early retirees, and then there are the people who point out how precise and well advertised its measurement methods and data are.
Both are equally consistent and accurate perspectives. If you are not an urban worker who rents and doesnt pay for health care and meet the other budgetary distributions of the CPI-U, then the CPI-U is not a very good measure of your personal rate of inflation.
So I suppose from there the big point of contention is whether the CPI-U is a good measure for most people.
Most people are workers, most dont pay their own health care, most are urban or live near urban areas, but most are homeowners and not renters.
Many DO have to pay for their own health care, have mounting college expenses, see the effects of energy and food prices as very important when they're living paycheck to paycheck.
So maybe its fair to say that the CPI-U is a reasonable average for many if not most people, while being a poor yardstick in some way or other for other large slices of the population?
It also doesnt have to be off much for an early retiree. A half percent off when you're earning a wage that is adjusting is probably not a big issue over time. Its also probably not a huge deal when its effect on your fixed income starts in your late 60's and only lasts to the average lifespan of the early 80's.
I'm thinking its a fairly large deal over 40 years without a wage and with increasing health care costs.
I hate to extend this, but I feel like I should provide a small defense to the 91% of Americans.
I did some Googling and couldn't find a source where 91% of Americans think the CPI understates real inflation. I did find references to a poll about inflation with a 91% number. They linked to this CNN poll: Nine in ten Americans worried about rising inflation - poll - Mar. 18, 2008
Which includes this:
Now, I would have probably answered "somewhat concerned", but that doesn't mean I think the techies at the BLS are cheating me. So you need to subtract at least one person from the 91%.
This is a "small defense" since I think that most people probably would say today that their inflation rate exceeds the CPI. Americans aren't unique in this. While Googling, I stumbled across research papers from Japan and Europe on the topic of the difference between "perceived inflation" and "measured inflation".
Try this:
The Consumer Price Index may underestimate inflation. - Apr. 3, 2008
"So how do we account for the discrepancy between the Federal Reserve's recent assurances that inflation is under control and the 91% of the population that's worried it isn't?"
Not exactly 100% scientific proof and not entirely on point, but Fortune does suggest a "slight" credibility concern among almost everyone except a few like yourself.
I consider myself to be a pretty average American, married, two kids, one dog, 2 cars, own my house, go to work, pay my bills, save for retirement. CPI-U is not even close for me and hasn't been for about 3 or 4 years now. It is being fudged for the benefit of the government (politicians). I have no doubt they are fudging it to help hide the true government debt and we are all paying for it in many, many, ways.
You say that I should go through the BLS methodology and find something wrong. I say it is so complicated, hedonics and all, that the coverup is pretty secure. "How to Lie with Statistics", I read it in college. Government statisticians are masters.
Last point, lets say the reported inflation is 4% which is the most the BLS has admitted in a long time. If I have an family income of about $70k, probably about the average family income in the US, that means my total costs should have gone up about $2800 last years. In my case my income is more than $70k so this is not really correct, but.... my college expense for 1 kid went up about $3000/year; my health insurance went up about $800/year (I only pay 1/2); gas went up about $1,800; food, good god who knows, probably way more than $1000; my property taxes went up $1000 last year; that's already $7600 (11% of $70k) and I could go on;......get the picture. Many families have all of the same expenses I listed, except maybe the property tax increase.
I know my cost increase are likely very high and would be less for someone with less income than mine but I conclude that the CPI doesn't represent what is supposed to and the only reasonable explanation is that it is intentional.
other media outlets are picking up on "shadowstats":
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You know what, I finally found something that we all need to buy that hasn't gone up more than reported inflation. According to the Denver Post the average auto premium went up 2.5% a year (from $515 to $827) the last 19 years in Colorado. The CPI as reported, was 2.96%/year.
We did switch to a tort system moving medical claims from the insurance companies to the legal system (a sort of hedonics substitution I suppose), but ignoring that small fact, I feel much better now.
P.S. you need to read the Harpers article. They call the CPI reporting "corruption". (I suppose they should also be investigating the BLS statistics before they state the obvious.) "SS checks are 70% below where they should be" is one claim in the article, SS retirees should be up in arms. BLS stats are BS stats.
P.S. you need to read the Harpers article. They call the CPI reporting "corruption". (I suppose they should also be investigating the BLS statistics before they state the obvious.) "SS checks are 70% below where they should be" is one claim in the article, SS retirees should be up in arms. BLS stats are BS stats.
Last point, lets say the reported inflation is 4% which is the most the BLS has admitted in a long time. If I have an family income of about $70k, probably about the average family income in the US, that means my total costs should have gone up about $2800 last years. In my case my income is more than $70k so this is not really correct, but.... my college expense for 1 kid went up about $3000/year; my health insurance went up about $800/year (I only pay 1/2); gas went up about $1,800; food, good god who knows, probably way more than $1000; my property taxes went up $1000 last year; that's already $7600 (11% of $70k) and I could go on;......get the picture. Many families have all of the same expenses I listed, except maybe the property tax increase.
I read the Harpers article when ladelfina posted it. I thought her comment was correct, it was another John Williams sighting. I didn't see anything else of interest there.
Your expenses are not typical for American families as a whole.
The increase in your college costs is approaching half of your listed inflation. While this is a dramatic increase in your expenses, it isn't representative of most families. Many families have no children. Of the families that do have children, most of them are not currently college age. If they have one child, they have 4 years out of about 50 where they are paying for college, assuming that their child does go (many don't).
How many gallons of gasoline do you use a year to get an $1800 increase? Gas in my neck of the woods is about $3.50. Last year this time it was about $2.80. I figure my wife and I use about 1200 gallons a year, giving us an increase of increase of $840. We both have a moderate commute to work.
Your property tax increase is not typical, at least in my area. I have a pretty average house in a suburb of Minneapolis, and my taxes went up about 10%, from about 2200 to 2400. $200/year is not going to affect my personal rate of inflation very much. You must have an expensive home or live in a high property tax state.
On college, remember that it's much more than 4 years to pay for college. Most families have to save or pay back loans for up to 18 years. It is not a minor cost and families with kids going to college are not a small minority. (For most, it probably doesn't come all in one year (the $3000) as I paid, but the % increase is still there either in the savings rate or loan repayment bill.)
"families with kids going to college are not a small minority"
In 2005, there were about 18 million college students at all levels (including graduate school and 2 year schools). This compares to about 111 households. If nobody had two kids in college at the same time, that would be 16% of households have a college student and 84% don't.
You guessed something a lot higher than 16%, because you have kids in college and you know a lot of people with kids in college, and you're assuming that you are roughly average.
See table 1 at: http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2007/2007154.pdf
and United States - General Demographic Characteristics: 2005
Yes, some people save for college, others borrow. For those people, a $3,000 increase in tuition is much less than an additional $3,000 annual cost, because they are spreading the cost across more years. If you want to talk about how much college costs impact families that save/borrow, you need to divide the increase by the number of years they use for spreading their cost. (The BLS simply does "price", regardless of whether people save or borrow to pay for it. This works for a "price index".)
On gasoline, the average price per gallon in Colorado went up 62 cents from April to April (Colorado Fuel Price Update - AAA Colorado - Press Release). The national average increase was 65 cents.
Average miles traveled per car was 12,400 in 2006 (BTS | Table 4-11: Passenger Car and Motorcycle Fuel Consumption and Travel
I'm sure you know people who drive more than you do. However, there are a lot more people who drive less.
Once again, the issue isn't whether your personal COL has gone up faster than the CPI, it is whether you are pretty close to average.
I do think I should be considered close to average. I seemed to hear somewhere about the importance of family values. Isn't America about what happens to families anymore?