pb4uski
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Just around the corner, I suspect.
+1. I worked in the HR industry. I know how much opportunity there is out there. There is a lot, and there was a lot even in the downturn, but you had to get off your duff and look for it, and you had to be willing to eat store brand Mac n cheese instead of Macaroni Grill, home cooked refried beans and flour tortilla burritos instead of steaks, etc., while you did. I know. I did during college and the early years thereafter. I know many who are not willing. Nor are they willing to keep body art to a coverable minimum, nor keep their alcohol and/or recreational substance ingestion under control, thus making themselves not hirable. Not a few isolated cases, and the entitlement mentality is all too quickly become the norm rather than the exception.
Political ramblings or not, you can judge, but I tell you, I've seen more opportunities go unfilled due to "no takers" or "no hirable candidates" than you would think imaginable if you were to believe bUU's statements at face value.
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.....I know many who are not willing. Nor are they willing to keep body art to a coverable minimum, nor keep their alcohol and/or recreational substance ingestion under control....
I'm appalled that you would suggest such restrictions on people's personal freedom!! After all, this is America!
The consequences of freedom and personal responsibility can sometimes be a bitch.
I have frequently told DS that if he wants to be ahead of 90% of the population all he needs to do is just 1) show up (on time), 2) be polite, 3) work hard and 4) give a care about what he does and take pride in his work (whatever it may be) like he owned the place.
+1 to Rambler and PB....If the impossible task of separating the truly needy from the free loaders were ever to occur, I believe most people would ultimately find themselves in agreement over this issue.
We all have examples, on both sides. I'm not sure why people are reacting the way they are to the assertion that examples don't prove anything.
Entitlement mentality is a big problem, but it exists on both sides. Many people feel entitled to personal comfort and luxury at the expense of the basic needs of others, and that's a significant source of real problems.
The unshakable reality is that we're all in this together. Some choose to hold themselves apart from the concerns of their neighbors while others empathize. Both are "legal".
I think the mods just paid the ransom money...Porky is currently being held in the Expired Equine Lashing Facility. Hopefully he'll be released soon.
bUU said:I don't recall anyone who empathizes (in a positive manner) with people who don't apply themselves, even putting aside the question as to whether that set of people is a significant or insignificant portion of those who are beneficiaries of assistance.
The point I am making is that if you're going to accuse anyone of entitlement mentality, you have to put at the top of the list the people who place their own comfort and luxury over the basic needs of others. The reality is that you're better off leaving aside all such nefarious characterizations, of people on both sides, and stop trying to accuse those who are less fortunate of scurrilous things. But again - if you are going to cast aspersions, then be prepared to have those aspersions cast even more directly at the people you're trying to defend, because their position is less defensible due to what it is (a third HDTV, the trip to Aruba, the car for the college student) that they do with their added financial capacity.
At some point there needs to be justice, too. But let's dig into what you mean by personal responsibility. The reason why I want to dig into it deeper is that because every time I do so those advocating it refuse to say specifically what it means - what specific sanctions and consequences they would inflict on those who are less fortunate. They won't detail just how they're going to differentiate between those who are unsuccessful due to circumstance versus "lack of discipline". When the rubber meets the road, every time I've asked people to be specific about what they mean, I get non-answers, and so I've had to conclude that its just platitude rather than a well-considered, morally-founded, socially conscious policy perspective. If there really is substance to such advocacy, I really would like to learn the full parameters thereof. I especially want to know how those parameters will affect those who retire, not early but rather at retirement age, but without financial independence.[/QUOTE
One specific would be high school graduation rates. Only 75% and even as low as 60% for some groups. We're paying 8 grand a kid! Not only a waste of present resources but future ones as they are destined to under achieve. Or is that setting the bar too high?