Whew. That's stiff. Are those air rates? Can you send anything by sea?Update:
Got the first estimate for my move to France: about $3.5 per pound! Time to downsize some more...
Whew. That's stiff. Are those air rates? Can you send anything by sea?Update:
Got the first estimate for my move to France: about $3.5 per pound! Time to downsize some more...
Whew. That's stiff. Are those air rates? Can you send anything by sea?
Update:
Got the first estimate for my move to France: about $3.5 per pound! Time to downsize some more...
Nope, it's the sea rate (6-8 week transit). I am still waiting for a second estimate.
Yikes! That's expensive. That's about what I pay to ship perishables by air to Venezuela, and that includes "import fees" and other "local management costs". At those rates, W2R makes a good point - replacing stuff there might be an alternative.Nope, it's the sea rate (6-8 week transit). I am still waiting for a second estimate.
https://www.a1autotransport.com/how-much-does-it-cost-to-ship-a-container-to-france/The cost of shipping a container to France is hard to determine without certain details. However, it is said that the average shipping container from the US to France is anywhere from $800 to a few thousand dollars.
Whew. Given that information, I'd probably ditch everything that I couldn't take along with me on the plane, as luggage. Most things can be replaced. One advantage of this (admittedly extreme) approach, is that the move itself would be physically easy.
I've moved internationally 6 times. It's more than just convenience. Just once I did it DIY - never again. And seriously consider insurance.It would certainly be cheaper to go DIY.
Here the quoted price includes much more than the container. It also covers door-to-door delivery, packing, making a detailed inventory for customs, customs clearance, insurance, etc... I am definitely paying for convenience.
Having moved many times, including significant downsizing upon RE, my advice would be to be brutal when purging. It seems one always keeps more than needed, or even wanted after a short bit of time in the new place. Plus, you’ll have paid to ship it internationally. Some purging rules would be:
1. Haven’t worn or used it in a year? Purge
2. For personal items/memorabilia, if it doesn’t bring you tears or overwhelming sadness to get rid of it? Purge (Note: pictures or digitizing is an option)
3. Old and/or worn out? Purge
4. Won’t fit into your new condo? Purge
5. Costs => to move it than to buy new? Purge (Note: Moving cost is mostly by weight so, you’d be surprised what qualifies for purging-most furniture, appliances, exercise machines, books, etc.)
Plus (and I’m guessing here), my bet is you will derive psychological peace from having “new” stuff around you...in your new place. All the Best!
I've moved internationally 6 times. It's more than just convenience. Just once I did it DIY - never again. And seriously consider insurance.
When we moved from Houston to England in January 2017 we ended up with Atlas Moving, they did all the packing and the unpacking, and I just checked our final invoice including taxes which came to $1.67/pound for a load of 3,080lbs. This included our two 2-seater Laz-y-Boy recliners which were less than 2 years old and had compatible voltage (110 - 240). $5,149 and our own 20' container. United Vanlines quoted $11,500 which was $3.73/lb
Our son did the same move in September 2017 but United Vanlines worked best for him. He moved from a 1 bedroom apartment and took things like his dining table and 4 chairs, china cabinet, oak side table, bookshelves etc. Don't know his final weight as I don't have his invoice but it was $3,300 and it was a part load, shared with other(s), so took 12 weeks to arrive, which was perfect as it arrived the day after he closed on his house so no need to store it when it arrived in England.
I think we were very fortunate in the cost of our move, must have just hit it right with Atlas needing to fill their order book or something.
Sounds like great progress, and good for you to have taken 3 more large trash bags to the curb. I know it's emotionally pretty rugged to get rid of all that stuff, but I think you will be glad you downsized so much after you move from your big Alabama house into the (smaller) condo in Europe. It's nice to have some empty closets and cabinets and to not feel too hemmed in by excessive stuff all over ones home.Update:
I just received an estimate from a second moving company: $5 per pound with United for my own 20' container. So I decided to go with Atlas ($3.50 per pound). Besides, Atlas has been all around more responsive and on top of things (United was supposed to get me their estimate one week ago). My packing/loading day will be on December 11th, a week before my flight back home to Geneva. Meanwhile, I continue to reduce the amount of stuff that will need to be moved. I am getting into heart-wrenching territory, but I got 3 large trash bags to the curb this week.
The two estimates were within 5% of each other both in terms on weight and volume. I am amazed by their ability to estimate the weight and volume of stuff by just glancing at it (they spent less than 2 minutes in each room).
On the financial side, I am almost done closing investment accounts on the US side. Over the past couple of weeks, I finished redeeming all of my CDs at Andrews Federal Credit Union and PenFed. They made me jump through a lot of hoops to get my money back (in the name of security of course). Redeeming my CDs at Capital One was a breeze (all done online). And I cashed in all my electronic i-bonds at Treasury Direct (super easy).
Sounds like great progress, and good for you to have taken 3 more large trash bags to the curb. I know it's emotionally pretty rugged to get rid of all that stuff, but I think you will be glad you downsized so much after you move from your big Alabama house into the (smaller) condo in Europe. It's nice to have some empty closets and cabinets and to not feel too hemmed in by excessive stuff all over ones home.
Many things are replaceable if you change your mind and decide later on that you really need them. When I moved, I threw out or donated over half my stuff; I filled and disposed of one trash bag of stuff for every box I packed for the move. And this was after I thought I was totally decluttered. I was very surprised to find out that I don't miss a single thing. I thought I valued that stuff, but honestly I haven't even thought about any it since the move. And I love having all the closet space this created.
Anyway, we're all cheering you on, from the sidelines! All of this is a HUGE step toward your new life and future happiness.
Thanks for the update, it really seems like it is coming together nicely.
December 11 is only a few short weeks away. When we did our big move in January 2017 we spent a few days in a hotel after the shipment had left. That turned out to be over cautious and while we spent those days saying last goodbyes to friends, they were mostly working so the days were pretty boring, and we wished we had just trusted that everything would happen on time and as planned. However, if I had it all to do again I would still allow a few days in case things didn’t go smoothly.
When our son moved over end of September 2017, I went over for a couple of weeks to assist in the final clear out and we did not make the same contingency plans. His movers arrived, packed and took his stuff on the day as planned and we flew out the following evening.
Exactly!!! Even after all the downsizing that I did when I moved, I never use or look at half my stuff anyway.Thanks W2R! With a future home in the 400-600 sqft range (barely larger than my current living room!), I really cannot keep that much anyway. So I have to be very selective. Especially in such a small space, I don't want to have clutter everywhere (cue the soundtrack of Hoarders ).
I think you are doing an exemplary job. I am very impressed. I hope your life abroad will be just what you would like.
Regarding your space over there, I have been living in ~700 ft2 since 2007. I really got used to it, and in no case would I want to move farther out so that I could afford a bigger place. If the bigger place were right where I am now, and no more or only a little more money, I admit I would be tempted.
Ha