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I just got off of the phone with Fidelity after having done my annual traditional IRA to Roth IRA conversion. I learned some things that might be old news to some, but it was new news to me.
The first thing was that they said the minimum percentage withholding was 10% (my tax modeling said I should set it to about 2.5%). So I cooked up a scheme right there on the phone where I'd do two conversions, one small one with 10% withholding, and one larger one with no withholding. But I didn't execute on this because of the next thing I learned.
The second thing that they said was that if they are to pay the IRS withholding associated with this transaction, the money must come out of the tIRA account (I wanted to pay with after tax money out of my regular brokerage account, but they said that wasn't possible). I was concerned about this for two reasons. First, the amount out of the tIRA would be greater than went into the Roth (so probably the withholding amount would be subject to the 10% penalty and taxes on gains). Second, the withholding amount is paying taxes with tax advantaged money, in escence, reducing my tax advantaged pot of money by the withholding amount. This would not be true if I just paid the same amount in estimated taxes or on April 15.
So the result was that I did my conversion with no withholding and will either send in an estimated payment or just wait for April and hope I avoid penalty for underpayment (it's not much of an underpayment since I had W2 withholding in January).
So next time you read "all you have to do is..." withhold from your Roth conversion, you might need to consider the above limitations.
The first thing was that they said the minimum percentage withholding was 10% (my tax modeling said I should set it to about 2.5%). So I cooked up a scheme right there on the phone where I'd do two conversions, one small one with 10% withholding, and one larger one with no withholding. But I didn't execute on this because of the next thing I learned.
The second thing that they said was that if they are to pay the IRS withholding associated with this transaction, the money must come out of the tIRA account (I wanted to pay with after tax money out of my regular brokerage account, but they said that wasn't possible). I was concerned about this for two reasons. First, the amount out of the tIRA would be greater than went into the Roth (so probably the withholding amount would be subject to the 10% penalty and taxes on gains). Second, the withholding amount is paying taxes with tax advantaged money, in escence, reducing my tax advantaged pot of money by the withholding amount. This would not be true if I just paid the same amount in estimated taxes or on April 15.
So the result was that I did my conversion with no withholding and will either send in an estimated payment or just wait for April and hope I avoid penalty for underpayment (it's not much of an underpayment since I had W2 withholding in January).
So next time you read "all you have to do is..." withhold from your Roth conversion, you might need to consider the above limitations.