WB52
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- Sep 10, 2008
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1. Mortgage
2. Tuition
3. Unreimbursed car expens to drive to w*rk.
4. Food
5. Medical
2. Tuition
3. Unreimbursed car expens to drive to w*rk.
4. Food
5. Medical
For me income taxes vastly exceed all of my other expenses combined. Around 2/3 of my total expenditures are income taxes.
Like yours...property tax and medical expenses are the largest for me.
Number 3 would be home improvements/maintenance.
Discretionary expense would be travel.
For me, income tax would be an even tie with "#4 - Health Care". My taxable income is just below halfway in the 15% tax bracket. My pension is exempt of state income taxes, and since almost all of my nestegg is in tax-exempt or tax-deferred accounts, and only a very small portion is in taxable accounts, I pay no state income tax.I'll bet most people did not count income tax (I know I didn't. If I did, it would be Number 1 on my list)
#1 - Travel (mutli-day trips & vacations, day trips, live theater/music/shows)
#2 - Food (both groceries and restaurants)
#3 - Hobbies (gardening, model railroading, etc.)
#4 - Health Care (insurance, deductibles, co-pays, meds)
#5 - Home (insurance, property taxes, upkeep)
I'll bet most people did not count income tax (I know I didn't. If I did, it would be Number 1 on my list)
If we take taxes into account, our 10 largest expenses look like this (over the last 12 months):
1) Income Taxes 43%
2) Payroll Taxes 7.0%
3) Groceries 5.4%
4) Mortgage 5.4%
5) Furnishings/Durable Goods 5.3%
6) Auto 3.8%
7) Charity 3.4%
8) Utilities 3.4%
9) Vacations 3.4%
10) Clothing 3.4%
Property taxes are <0.7% and healthcare costs are about 1.3%
You pay almost half of your income in taxes?? Ouch!
Wow - I keep telling people here in Europe that we in the US are taxed a lot as well - it's just not all done at once. I remember before we moved here, fully 50-60% of our income was taxed - that included federal and state income tax, property tax and sales tax.....and I didn't consider myself rich by any means!
I didn't count my income tax when I responded earlier, if I did then 40% of my EXPENSES would be income tax (less than 20% of of my gross INCOME goes to taxes).
(income tax) / (spending + income tax) = ~40%
I still think taxes in Europe are much higher than in the USA, both income and indirect taxes (such as VAT, sin and carbon taxes.)
Alan,
It all depends - if you own a car, then yes, the taxes on fuel, tolls (outside of Germany) can make it very expensive. Yes, the VAT is high, although it is moderated, i.e. not on food, mainly on material goods. They do have property taxes here in Germany, but they are paid once for the lifetime of the house (as I understand). They have income tax and part of that is for their healthcare and other social programs. What's interesting about the VAT is the price you see is with VAT - you don't see how much the total of the VAT is until you purchase and it is shown as a percentage and amount on your receipt. I consider Sales Tax in the US a VAT-like tax. The effect is the same, the consumer sees it at the point of sale. However in the US, it is added at the counter and not in the price as stated on the price tag.
As I remember, the tax burden on the Germans was 50-60% of their income going to one form of tax or another. For me, when I lived in CA, that was true for a summary from the federal, state and local perspective - 50-60% of my income went to taxes.