I try to read the Soapbox as much as I can, as part of my Mod duties.
Frankly I am not sure why people get their jollies arguing politics, but I am OK with that, as long as they don't violate our Community Rules.
This type of statement is one of the reasons I avoid the Soapbox. I cannot fathom how one can "trust" either <one candidate> or <the other candidate>. Do you personally know either one?
If I'm unwilling to hear and try to understand (or at least acknowledge) other people's POV, I might as well look in the mirror and just agree with myself.
I'm in the agreeing with myself club, but we do sometimes fight over the soap!
I don't think any of the posters in the soap box have changed their already-made-up minds.
I don't think any of the posters in the soap box have changed their already-made-up minds. The POVs of virtually all the posters are quite predictable. It's sometimes fun to read, like going to a debate would be, where the sides are already chosen, but some of the threads are lather, rinse, repeat, repeat, repeat and I skip those.
The only reason I still read the Soapbox is because of a few posters whose opinions I respect (and sometimes even agree with) and whose posts I enjoy reading.I like you guys, but when I read some of the things that some of you post on political issues, well, it's darn hard to keep liking a few of you. I prefer that we stay friends.
While I appreciate the logic behind the creation of the Soapbox, I fear that it's just a waystation to the inevitable. People should be able to enjoy this forum for its subject, not for its "anything goes" behavior. If they can't live without a Soapbox forum then they don't belong here. Greaney has a section of his board for "towel-snapping discourse", and Morningstar has an entire "Politics" forum. I think that the Soapbox experiment has run its course and should be sanitized in a biolevel four environment before the contamination gets out of control.
sam, REW, notmuchlonger.. you are being the problematic, argumentative ones here. You can see my practical reason for asking; I stated it twice.
It's not my fault that people used the opportunity to sound off one way or the other.
Here's a few reasons that I see this differently:
1) IMO, the SoapBox is very, very far from being 'anything goes'. As others have said, and has been my experience, the discussions gets heated, occasionally a bit silly and circular (I always have the option of bowing out of that thread), but the civility level is still relatively high. Most threads I've seen in other forums degrade immediately to hit-and-run personal attacks, and totally mindless responses.
And me alsoI fail to see how any of this is 'polluting' anything else on this board. I don't get your beef, other than maybe a bit of sour grapes that some people are going off to play a game that doesn't interest you. I fail to see the harm.
People should be able to enjoy this forum for its subject,
And what exactly is that 'subject'? - We already have 'Travel Information', 'Other' and 'Life after FIRE' have a pretty wide range of subject matter Would we be better off sticking to FIRE financial topics only? No room here for surfer talk, dryer vents, military life, cooking, books (except Four Pillars), etc, etc, etc?
That would be more limiting than I would care to see.
-ERD50
I also don't see the harm the soap box is causing? Could someone explain it?
Polls posted in the soapbox are not going to be representative samplings of the posters here. The best and brightest have the soapbox on ignore.
Once in a great while
If we were really smart here, don't you think we would get rid of the Soap Box and replace it with your link above?
This way people would click on it, get lost in that forum, and not find their way back here.
I can!
For starters it is an enormous load on the moderators to maintain the civility you're seeing.
Secondarily, people get worked up at each other in the SB and that spills into their other posts on the forum. Some poor bloke like me who ignores the soapbox is left trying to figure out why someone is being unexpectedly huffy or two otherwise nice people are poking each other in the eye in a backhanded manner.
There's plenty of other unmoderated boards for that type of behavior, and this board's posters will either go off to find it or will change their behavior on this board. No sense duplicating anarchy here just for the purpose of free expression. We can get that anytime we want at Yahoo! Finance or M* Politics or FundVision.com.Ok so why not quit moderating it? It isn't like the forum is being televised.
I spent a lot of time dealing with moderator issues regarding the prickly regular, but in this case I'm on his side. There's just no fixing persistent opinionating in the absence of the facts... and although that poster is on a lot of ignore lists, sometimes the misinformation is so abysmally incorrect that it has to be addressed.Just recently a very smart, but prickly regular made a nasty shot about another regular post about a stock. I have no idea what set the prickly guy off, but it certainly wasn't a political discussion cause neither participate.
I can!
For starters it is an enormous load on the moderators to maintain the civility you're seeing.
Secondarily, people get worked up at each other in the SB and that spills into their other posts on the forum. Some poor bloke like me who ignores the soapbox is left trying to figure out why someone is being unexpectedly huffy or two otherwise nice people are poking each other in the eye in a backhanded manner.
Some percentage of people can have a rational discussion with disagreement and grow from the conversation. But its not that good for most people.
I've gone through an awful lot of these discussion groups where a bunch of people get together to talk about some product or topic, things go well, the group grows, and at some point the politics shows up. Many try to contain it or wrap some rules around it, give it its own sandbox, etc.
It always ends the same way.
A percentage of really valuable posters leave because they dont like it. I can think of a half dozen people who have left because they didnt like the politics. People I could read from all day long that are way better than what 98% of our current inhabitants have to offer, with all due respects. Moderator burnout and turnover becomes a major issue. Any of you mods want to disagree with that? You draw in some pompous buttholes that just like to tweak each other.
Inevitably one of two things happens...the community gets a hole poked in its inner tube and loses a lot of air or a simple rule of "dont talk about naughty political stuff (and its like porn, you know it when you see it) or your post/thread will be deleted and persistence will get your account banned".
I've been a mod on a couple of those boards. Shooting 2-3 posts a day and banning someone once a month was a whole lot easier than trying to mend fences between 100 people across a few dozen threads. After a few weeks of being called a Nazi Censor 99% of the people 'get it' and the BS stops.
You'd find that you can engage in perfectly reasonable non partisan discussions that incorporate political aspects without the sort of stuff that I imagine goes on in the soapbox. I can more than imagine it because people have on 3-4 occasions pointed me to a thread which promptly caused me to put the forum right back on ignore.