What to do with your money if you don't need it?

What a lot of people love to gloss over is that the US is not monolithic. CA and NYC are so dissimilar that comparisons are laughable. Even Florida is different depending on where you live, e.g. downtown Orlando is totally foreign to people who just visit DisneyWorld et al. Key West has a life of its own.

The OP seems to be focused on their portfolio, probably a tougher thing than where they live.
 
What a lot of people love to gloss over is that the US is not monolithic. CA and NYC are so dissimilar that comparisons are laughable. Even Florida is different depending on where you live, e.g. downtown Orlando is totally foreign to people who just visit DisneyWorld et al. Key West has a life of its own.

The OP seems to be focused on their portfolio, probably a tougher thing than where they live.

+1 Many of my friends have run to Florida, when its important , they fly back to NYC for the operations/second opinions.
 
Ya, I get that. I spend about a third of my time in the US and consider it a home away from home. Nevertheless, the post I am referring to is,
on the face of it at least, insulting to Canadians, in my opinion.

I see why you took it that way and I probably would too if I were you, but I honestly don't think pb4uski meant it that way--I read it as why would one move away from one country to another country if one could afford to stay in the original country. But I could be wrong--I often am :LOL:
 
I spend a lot of time in Canada and like Canada...and certainly very different than Central America... but too cold in the winter for me. No insult intended.
 
The Canadian Prime minister came to the US for open heart surgery:LOL:. Danny Williams, premier of Newfoundland and Labrador



For a procedure that was invented in Toronto, and I believe the Toronto hospital still has the best success rate in the world for the valve replacement.
I'm near the border and the only time I hear from my health care working friends of Canadians coming for procedures is Lasix eye surgery when exchange rates are favorable. But I know US citizens that had Lasix in Ontario as it was half price due to exchange rates then.
 
On many measures, Canada ranks very high as a good place to live...

If I could spend the summer in Canada I'd be there in a skinny minute.

I don't handle the sweltering heat in the south as well as when I was a kid.
 
What do you suppose it would be like in Canada vs US if one or both transition to long-term care? Probably not something they want to discuss, but it becomes very important for many, later in life. Do you know of any cost comparisons between the countries?

No cost comparisons, but personal experience in Ontario.

My sister and I (both living in the U.S.) were POAs for our bachelor uncle who lived alone in a large suburb of Toronto, Ontario. In the early 2000s, as he was in his late 80s and starting to need assistance with his daily life, we began shopping for assisted living places and eventually long-term care places in his area.

We visited about 6-8 assisted living places...some were small and old and others were large, modern places. At the assisted-living place he chose, he lived in a very nice, bright private 1-BR room with ensuite bath...and the cost was around $2500/mo. (incl. 3 meals/day, bathing assistance, medication administration). The cost was based on a rent-to-income calculation. He had been a LBYM person with a nice little nest egg and small pension plus OAP (like social security in the U.S.) that was factored-in to what he was charged. Others paid less.

As he aged and his health started declining (he was still mobile, but was starting to develop a few issues that required more care), the staff suggested that we start shopping for a long-term care place for him.

We learned that the LTC places there were always full. Openings occurred on a random basis, usually when a resident passed away. You put your name on a list, when an opening occurred you had 48 hours to take occupancy or you lost your spot and it was offered to the next person on the list.

We visited about 5-6 LTC facilities and chose a modern residence that looked to be very well-run. They even had a few pet cats residing there, which made it seem homey. We put our uncle's name on the list. The LTC place called us a few months later when a room became available and we moved him in. He had a very nice private room for ~$2000/mo. He lived there comfortably for a few years before he passed away at age 94.

We made 6-8 unannounced trips a year to visit him and were impressed with the staff and cleanliness at both the assisted living and LTC factility. We had periodic meetings with the doctor and staff. They kept good records on his care and had suggestions for us when he was in need of something (e.g. vision check or dental work). We felt he was well cared-for.

Our parents, who lived in the U.S., lived out their lives in their own condo, so we didn't have any experience with the U.S. equivalents of assisted living and LTC, although we have heard many stories of how expensive they can be.

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I just found this online:
 

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Back to the OP's question, I suggest parking Dad's dough in equities and letting it incubate until needed, if ever.

I suggest it's analogous to the lesson we tried to teach our young'uns, that just because you have a pocket full of money doesn't mean you have to run out right away and spend it.

It does no harm to simply possess it, and from a macroeconomic perspective, just by existing it's doing good for people you don't even know. It's part of railways through Africa, dams across the Nile, fleets of ocean greyhounds, majestic self-amortizing canals, and plantations of ripening tea.
 
The Canadian Prime minister came to the US for open heart surgery:LOL:. Danny Williams, premier of Newfoundland and Labrador
Yes. This is sometimes used as an argument against the Canadian health care system. Indeed I have travelled to Cleveland from Toronto in order to get a procedure done at the world famous Cleveland Clinic. I did this to save the time and effort of seeing a specialist and getting all the tests required. The 5 figure cost seemed reasonable to me and Cleveland was able to perform the work the next day. No fuss no muss and performed by a world respected specialist. I believe this was a level of service generally not available to Americans.

Danny Williams was a wealthy politician who felt the specialists in the US (could have been Cleveland or Mayo not sure) were better qualified and easier to use than those in his poor province of Newfoundland. He paid for this, I believe, out of his own pocket.

I don't believe the fact that wealthy Canadians sometimes access US healthcare for procedures not available in Canada or hard to find or simply more convenient or performed by world renowned specialists makes the Canadian system in some way inferior. It works very well for the vast majority of Canadians in the vast majority of cases. Just because wealthy people may sometimes buy Mercedes Benzes doesn't mean chevies are bad. As someone has already said, I doubt you could find many Canadians who would voluntarily switch to a US style system. They would very likely be the wealthy who could simply pay cash for health care without worry.

The Canadian healthcare system certainly isn't perfect. My biggest beef is I can't easily access privately paid healthcare in Canada. But Cleveland is only a 5 hour drive from Toronto. It's a reasonable compromise in my view.
 
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Back to the OP's question, I suggest parking Dad's dough in equities and letting it incubate until needed, if ever.

I suggest it's analogous to the lesson we tried to teach our young'uns, that just because you have a pocket full of money doesn't mean you have to run out right away and spend it.

It does no harm to simply possess it, and from a macroeconomic perspective, just by existing it's doing good for people you don't even know. It's part of railways through Africa, dams across the Nile, fleets of ocean greyhounds, majestic self-amortizing canals, and plantations of ripening tea.
Yes that is what I was reading in OPs post. Gotta do something! Hey wait until it becomes a problem to his parents. Better to forego 5% upside before a major correction. To some people a bank balance is enough. Better than reaching for Bernie's 12%!
 
I'm in a similar position to the OP; I'm an immigrant to the US, I've lived here 30 years, arrived with 2 suitcases and $1000 in travelers checks, retired on a professor's pension and get more than enough to cover my expenses from pension and rental income. When SS and UK state pension start I'll have even more excess income.

Right now I take most of my excess income and dividends and just reinvest to build up the amount I can leave in my will. I also donate to a couple of local charities, ACLU and SNP.

I'm ok with healthcare as I'm a retired state employee and get my insurance from the state for $100 per month, but if I was old enough to have to get the Medicare option my insurance would cost around $300 per month. If I was to return to the UK I'd pay nothing out of pocket for the NHS which insures everyone in the UK for half the cost per capita of the US system which fails to cover everyone. By many metrics the US healthcare system is the worst in the developed world because of high cost and poor coverage.
 
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Given a recent change in Canadian law, I was able to claim my Canadian citizenship. I decided to become a dual citizen since it provided more options, like the OP has expressed. Not sure I will move to Canada since my DW is not interested in the temperate areas of Canada and the others are too cold. But, if something does come up, we will be happy that I have this option as I only think it provides flexibility with little to no downside.

BTW, the 'new' ruling is called the Lost Canadian law (I think it is a law). If your parent was born in Canada and naturalized in another country after 1947 and before ? (can't remember the date but perhaps in the 1960s), they could reclaim their citizenship as well as first generation children.

For those interested, when people left Canada for the US (perhaps other countries as well), Canada and USA required them to forfeit their Canadian 'citizenship'. Sometime in the last few years, the Canadian gov't was convinced that they should return citizenship to those who left Canada but were naturalized in their new country after 1947. 1947 was when Canada became fully independent so that became the key target date. Per the above, Canada also provided that offer to their children but not their grand children.
 
Our parents, who lived in the U.S., lived out their lives in their own condo, so we didn't have any experience with the U.S. equivalents of assisted living and LTC, although we have heard many stories of how expensive they can be.
The link elsewhere for AARP surveyed costs in US gives more, and varied, examples, but here is ours.

In NJ, USA, one in-law is at 10K, and the other is at 7.5K. Those are monthly rates! Both have excellent LTC policies, so they are in a better facility than most. However, the benefit has run out on the 10K, and will do likewise in about a year for the FIL's 7.5K.

About five years ago, the joint cost was just $4500 for one apartment. In a year or two, they could not live together. Costs jumped, and LTC insurance kicked in.

So, depending on the US location, in the last years of life, LTC could be a major cost (US), or not (Canada). I have no data on costs in Central America.
 
Right now I take most of my excess income and dividends and just reinvest to build up the amount I can leave in my will. I also donate to a couple of local charities, ACLU and SNP.


Two more ways for charitably-inclined people to give, have income, tax deductions and remove assets from their estate are charitable gift annuities in the five figure range and, for larger gifts, charitable remainder unitrusts. Larger charities and universities' websites have info on these tools. Basically, you hand the money over to these instruments, get deductions, get income for life and when it's time for the long dirt nap we'll all take, the principle goes to the charities of your choice bypassing the estate/probate process.
 
Two more ways for charitably-inclined people to give, have income, tax deductions and remove assets from their estate are charitable gift annuities in the five figure range and, for larger gifts, charitable remainder unitrusts. Larger charities and universities' websites have info on these tools. Basically, you hand the money over to these instruments, get deductions, get income for life and when it's time for the long dirt nap we'll all take, the principle goes to the charities of your choice bypassing the estate/probate process.

My main focus is leaving money to my heirs. I'm not at the level yet where inheritance tax is a big issue so I haven't thought about trusts.
 

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