USA vs Thailand today at 3pm eastern time 9 pm here in Épernay We forgot it was today until we met a winery owner who commented on all the USA fans in town. Épernay is less than an hour from Reims but we have drunk too much champagne to make the drive. We will be watching in a bar in Epernay but will make the Paris game for sure!
Women's World Cup - 2019
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13-0!
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I usually don't follow Women's soccer closely but I watched the game this afternoon and it was a total dominance by the US team. Then I laughed when some commentators criticized the team for running up the score. What should they have done? Stop playing.....
This is the world cup tournament and there is no mercy rule as far as I know.
This is the world cup tournament and there is no mercy rule as far as I know.
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Unfortunately, due to FIFA rules basing standings on goal differential, running up the score happens. So I accept that.
What I think wasn't necessary today, was the over the top goal celebrations of the US team after the game was way out of reach. It was humiliating for the Thai team and did not show the American team in a very good light, IMHO. Lets hope that the rest of the tournament shows better sportsmanship from all teams in similar circumstances.
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I agree that the excessive celebrations were unnecessary after the 6th or 7th goal and did not show good sportsmanship against an over matched team.
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Can't help but wonder what happens when USWNT is tested by opponents who play physical.
I think we'll find that out on the final match of group play when the U.S. faces Sweden. The Swedes knocked the U.S. out of the 2016 Olympics.
I'm not certain that the coach of the Thai team, or her players share those same sentiments of feeling humiliated.
"We accept the score today. We haven't done enough," coach Srathongvian said.
"We accept that they are very strong and they were excellent all round. We accept our mistakes and we're going to improve."
"As for the emotions of my players, they were waiting for this moment. They were really disappointed because the score wasn't what they had been expecting."
"They are all athletes. They will be resilient."
Srathongvian thanked the United States players for embracing their Thai counterparts following the final whistle.
"The US players after the match saw that our players were very disappointed and let down," she added.
"They wanted to encourage us to continue fighting. We thank them very much for that."
The words of the Thai coach on behalf of her squad sound to me like expressions of disappointment, not feelings of humiliation.
What I saw yesterday - at least on camera - was a U.S. side exuberantly celebrating the scoring of each goal. Never once did I see - at least on camera - a single U.S. player celebrate in a manner that was taunting or otherwise demeaning towards their opponents.
A bit of context is in order, as well. The Thai women's team is considered an Asian powerhouse and is no stranger to blowout wins of their own having defeated some of their regional rivals by double digits scores. They not only qualified for the 2015 WWC, but also defeated the Ivory Coast 3-2 in that tournament. The Thai women's team deserved the very sort of respect that the U.S. showed them yesterday by burying as many goals as possible during the 90 minutes. And then celebrating the scoring of each one as if it were the go-ahead goal.
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Well I disagree. The US team was favorite by 5 goals and their celebration after the 7th or 8th goals on the sideline was over the top. Goal differential is important in world cup early round so scoring 13th goal is not a problem but the exuberant celebration on late goals was unnecessary.
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Fair enough. I think where may agree is that after yesterday's match, the target on the collective backs of the number one ranked U.S. side just got much larger. I'm pretty sure there is no lack of opponents in this WC that would relish the opportunity to stick-it-to-them.
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+1 I would like to see FIFA limit the goal differential used in standings to x goals, say 8... pick a number... so if the maximum goal differential was 8 then 8-0 would be no different than 13-0... so once a dominant team is 8 goals ahead they can take their foot off the gas and coast to 90 minutes unless their opponents score.
I also agree that the celebrations were excessive... a bit embarassing for the US even if one is trying to run up the score in case goal differential might come into play in the standings.
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Can we offer her a U.S. passport?
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Any other goalie and the score would have been much worse. She saved 3 sure goals in my opinion.
BTW She needs a citizenship before she can get a passport
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It has been said that the game is the teacher. This was evident as US was held to just three goals by GK Endler of Chile. On the heals of 13-0 US drubbing of Thailand, a game with forced drama and subsequent negative reaction, lesson #1 is "You are measured by your opponent." When you're burying a team ranked at the bottom of all tournament competitors, it's difficult for a team to keep emotions in check. What can you learn for the next game, where your competitor may have a low ranking, but will probably bring a more complete game?
For rankings, see March 2019 table at https://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/
Contrasted with Thailand game, US vs Chile had fewer fouls, same time of possession, lower shot accuracy, more corners. What was learned? We'll see in the US vs Sweden game. What lesson(s) was US coach reminding players of? Why use just 4 starters from game #1?
There are extreme challenges ahead for which you may not have the best attitude. Keeping the 3 forwards used in Thailand game out of this one was quite a surprise. I'm sure there were visions of 8 goals to be scored. But coach would have none of that, electing to play Press-Lloyd-Pugh. Watching Lloyd miss a PK was disappointing. OTH, watching Ertz finishing power on a corner was a moment. This was not a traditional approach, where starters get rewarded for previous performance, and play at least the entire half of the next game. So, time to sacrifice individual statistics, since all players are one play from being thrown in to a game for various reasons.
Thu 6/20 3PM, Sweden game will tell more. Sweden is ranked in the top ten, with more talent than seen in previous two games. Can US solve Sweden's defense?
For rankings, see March 2019 table at https://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/
Contrasted with Thailand game, US vs Chile had fewer fouls, same time of possession, lower shot accuracy, more corners. What was learned? We'll see in the US vs Sweden game. What lesson(s) was US coach reminding players of? Why use just 4 starters from game #1?
There are extreme challenges ahead for which you may not have the best attitude. Keeping the 3 forwards used in Thailand game out of this one was quite a surprise. I'm sure there were visions of 8 goals to be scored. But coach would have none of that, electing to play Press-Lloyd-Pugh. Watching Lloyd miss a PK was disappointing. OTH, watching Ertz finishing power on a corner was a moment. This was not a traditional approach, where starters get rewarded for previous performance, and play at least the entire half of the next game. So, time to sacrifice individual statistics, since all players are one play from being thrown in to a game for various reasons.
Thu 6/20 3PM, Sweden game will tell more. Sweden is ranked in the top ten, with more talent than seen in previous two games. Can US solve Sweden's defense?
In terms of lessons learned from the Chile match, I would surmise that one of them would be GK Alyssa Naeher coming off her line more urgently on set pieces. If not for an offside call on Chile, Naeher would have conceded a goal in the first half. It was Naeher's first and only real test so far in the WC and she was lucky rather than being good. There is little room for those kind of gaffes going forward in this tournament.
I liked Ellis's decision to shake up most of her side's starting field players. It provided an opportunity for bench players to demonstrate their readiness in the event of injuries or suspensions of starters due to YC accumulation. It should also have some benefits on the training ground, as well.
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I actually liked this lineup. To me the speed of Press and Pugh and the finishing touch of Lloyd was effective. The score would have been much different if not for the heroics of Endler.
I also think that the Sweden game will be a good test for the US team in preparation for France in the round of 16 or the quarterfinals.
I also think that the Sweden game will be a good test for the US team in preparation for France in the round of 16 or the quarterfinals.
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The U.S. has one of the deepest squads talent-wise in the tournament. Only the French team has the same attacking quality - and I would place those 3 U.S. bench players you mentioned in the same company.
So far, I think the big question mark for the U.S. is at GK with Alyssa Naeher. She does have some very large gloves to fill in following Hope Solo. I'm not certain that the U.S. will need Naeher to win a match for them as much as she need only play well enough to prevent a loss. And IMO, that means no more mistakes like she had yesterday. Going forward, Naeher must be at her best self.
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I agree. The competition will be much stronger from Sweden this Thursday and from Norway and France in the elimination rounds. These teams have strong offenses that will test her and she needs to be solid.
VAR's micro-refereeing is ruining France 2019
https://www.socceramerica.com/publications/article/82684/dispatch-from-rennes-vars-micro-refereeing-is-ru.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=headline&utm_campaign=21647&hashid=pTdCZmC_fq6rQuHbQS_-qyZDWXo
"It might be said that the 2019 World Cup has been slow to start. It’s certainly not slow to stop when the Video Assistant Referee gets involved. In tonight’s third group game between France and Nigeria it took a full six minutes between Ngozi Ebere’s foul on Viviane Asseyi and the resultant penalty being scored. If FIFA was looking for a way to kill soccer dead, they’ve found the perfect solution."
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https://www.socceramerica.com/publications/article/82684/dispatch-from-rennes-vars-micro-refereeing-is-ru.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=headline&utm_campaign=21647&hashid=pTdCZmC_fq6rQuHbQS_-qyZDWXo
"It might be said that the 2019 World Cup has been slow to start. It’s certainly not slow to stop when the Video Assistant Referee gets involved. In tonight’s third group game between France and Nigeria it took a full six minutes between Ngozi Ebere’s foul on Viviane Asseyi and the resultant penalty being scored. If FIFA was looking for a way to kill soccer dead, they’ve found the perfect solution."
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Sorry I'm late to this thread - but I agree with you entirely; and in fact this is another difference between men and women. You just wouldn't get men behaving like that.
In fact I don't remember the last time I saw the USMNT celebrate a goal exuberantly or otherwise
In fact I don't remember the last time I saw the USMNT celebrate a goal exuberantly or otherwise
Ouch. Adding insult to injury. You really know how to hurt a guy, don't ya?!
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Sorry I'm late to this thread - but I agree with you entirely; and in fact this is another difference between men and women. You just wouldn't get men behaving like that.
In fact I don't remember the last time I saw the USMNT celebrate a goal exuberantly or otherwise
I can't agree with the criticism of the women's team. Let them celebrate, as long as they don't direct rude behavior towards other, or get over confident. The more 'interesting' games are yet to come.
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