Snakebit Friend (Rant)

I've used Teamviewer as well with my mother - works great and it's free


When family and friends call, if the solution sn't something I can tell them quickly over the phone, I say "Install Teamviewer, then we'll talk" :)

My most recent Teamviewer use actually was signing up for heath insurance with my insurance agent. She was on a Mac...me Win but no problem. I set her see my screen as I applied online (a lot easier than solely by phone).
 
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That said, if you can't say no to your friend, check out a freebie remote desktop sharing program called "Teamviewer."

TeamViewer - Free Remote Control, Remote Access & Online Meetings

It's easy to use and effective.

I've used that a few times to see the other person's desktop rather than having to make a long trip. ...

+1 on TeamViewer. I use it to access my Mom's and MIL's macs, and once or twice on my kids (though they can normally follow instructions over the phone pretty easily). So much easier to just open a directory and look, instead of "see that little triangle, click on that.... what do you mean 'nothing happened'?" ... )

Teamviewer works on macs, linux and windows (and no they have a mobile version!). Though for reasons I can't recall, it seems easier to access my Mom's mac with our MacBookPro rather than my linux version, but it does work.

If your friend got a Mac, they'd be less likely to have any virus issues. There's no guarantee that some virus won't pop up in the future, but so far they've been very safe (I have to be careful here, or the Bunny may hop in!).


Maybe a Chromebook would be a good option? Although last time I checked, there was (oddly) no way to view/control a Chromebook remotely.


-ERD50
 
After I have let someone take advantage of my problem-solving skills long enough without any improvement (let alone payback), I start being unable to solve their problems. "Gee, this time you've really got me stumped - better call a professional."

Amethyst
 
Used same technique to reduce my helper w*rkload to one. DW does not buy into that argument:D She has gotten a lot better at not getting into trouble.:)
 
Maybe a Chromebook would be a good option? Although last time I checked, there was (oddly) no way to view/control a Chromebook remotely.


-ERD50


Right, and I like the Chromebook. But the point is not to be Mighty Mouse. No remote controlling (probably the source of the problem to start).
 
So, why do all these stupid things always happen to him time after time after time, especially after I visit?

Some people use their computer with software purchased on CD, others download lots of cool sounding things just to see what happens. The latter people have way more trouble with their computer.
 
Intersting variety of replies and some good ideas I am tossing around.

As for his anti-virus (and anti-spyware) sortware, he does have Windows Defender (a.k.a. Microsoft Security Essentials) on his system but the quick scans did not find anything. He has a weekly full scan but it may not have run after he had his latest problem. He did not know how to run it, of course, but I talked him through it over the phone last night before I posted here. I do not know if it found anything later we got off the phone. I never put Malwarebytes free edition on his system but even though I talked him through how to download it I do not know if he was successful in downloading it or running it. I'll find out tomorrow night (Wednesday) when he comes over to visit.

I agree that I may have created a sense of dependency which saps his incentive to try to learn how to figure these things out for himself. But he is so inept in that area that he would prefer to not try to figure out solutions and put up with a badly running PC than to actually improve his PC's functioning.

The MVPS host file thing looks interesting. I will have to investigate it more.

While my friend is inept, my dad (83 years old) is more inept. But he doesn't use his PC as often so he doesn't care if he he was to wait a while for me to come over. It is very tough to talk him through even easier tasks he has trouble with. And now that he finally has DSL instead of an awful dial-up connection, he is using his PC more.

I don't know how extensive the malware is on his PC. It did not get to the point where a system restore would be my next step, unlike in past years when he had some really nasty things on his system.

The remote access (Teamviewer) idea looks interesting. I would be far more receptive to being able to fix his problems from my own desktop. I already help him with other things (mainly financial stuff) without having to leave my desktop. That's one I will suggest to him to see if he is on board with pursuing it.

Buying a Mac is not an idea I will suggest. He bought his current PC only 15 months ago. That's a little too drastic.

One obstacle to helping him over the phone is his speech impediment. It makes it tough to understand him over the phone.

As I wrote above, I help him with his financial stuff (incuding income tax returns) but he does pay me for that, though. This includes the huge inheritance he got in 2012 after his remaining parent (mother) died. I have posted elsewhere about this.

The VM or making an image of his hard drive is above my pay grade, so I won't pursue those options.

I don't know how the malware gets installed on his PC, something I have wondered about for many years. He is savvy enough to know not to click on unknown things such as those fake spyware scans which claim to have found lots of bad things or warnings that your system has become "infected." He does like to play games on line and I know those are hotbeds for malware because they often require installing programs to play them. This is apparent from the many odd, often bad programs which have recent installation dates and he has no idea how they got there.

My friend may be lonely. Like me, he is 50, single, with no kids. He rarely has a girlfriend due to his various physical flaws; he is short, has the speech impediment, and has a partial physical disability from a car crash 30 years ago (before I met him in 1988), all of which sharply limit his dating prospects (he has some awkward social skills, too). Both of his parents are deceased and his one sibling, a sister, is married with 2 kids and lives not far away but has her own busy life to lead. He has a decent circle of friends but the others are not tech-savvy like I am.

Thank you for a good discussion. Any more ideas before he comes over Wednesday night are welcome.
 
First of all, OP, I think you have well earned your halo and wings by helping your friend out :angel::angel::angel:

One of the pastors at our church is tech-snakebit just like your friend. She managed to hose one computer after another, all the while insisting she did nothing to cause it. Finally a group of the church leaders all chipped in to buy her a Mac laptop. It's been almost 9 months and she hasn't had a problem since. So since he seems to have the financial means to get a new computer, it might be worth it for him. Not to mention your sanity.

Full disclosure - I'm a happy Mac user since the '80s.
 
Your last posting clears up my the idea that this might be a money issue for him, he can afford someone to monitor his PC. I might suggest that he starts to work with the AVAST people, they have a paid support service that you can buy when you use their anti-virus program, I think it's about 150 bucks a year. They access your computer remotely and do the fixes and clean-ups that way. They do anything and everything, you can call them whenever you want to and they keep your computer running nicely. Last time I called them to delete and reinstall my printer drivers, which were giving me a problem. I confess I signed up for a year when I got completely slammed by malware. Believe me, we are 2 60+ typical surfers and I have no idea how we picked up a massive amount of malware.

Now if I see anything go on or have software/hardware issues, I just give them a call and presto they fix-it for me while I go about my business.Will I resign when my year expires, probably, I am not a computer novice but the new malware/spyware/password stealing stuff is above my pay grade. Having a service like this means you can call at the first sign of trouble which is good for peace of mind and helps catch problems before they escalate.
 
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Mac is an option but the programs he uses may not be available in a Mac version, also it would be expensive if he just bought new hardware. Linux would accomplish the same thing for free. There are several recommended for novice linux users Five Of The Best Beginner Linux Distro's | RefuGeeks

I think the single easiest thing to do is check his users account, if he is running with admin rights, that is 90% of the problem, Change his user rights to standard user.

One of the best things for situations like this was windows steady state, it was xp only and has been pulled. But it was great, it sandboxed all system changes for the user session. All the changes were removed with just a reboot. Great for kiosk, public PCs, classroom labs etc. There are some free replacements, on is called Reboot RX,

Problem with all of this is you being placed in the position of a personal tech support.
 
Mac is an option but the programs he uses may not be available in a Mac version, also it would be expensive if he just bought new hardware. Linux would accomplish the same thing for free. There are several recommended for novice linux users Five Of The Best Beginner Linux Distro's | RefuGeeks

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I've used Ubuntu quite a bit. Didn't take long before I was down at the command line executing Linux/Unix commands. Once it is up and running and stable, you are good until the next major update. Don't think I would recommend it for a non-geek type without some admin support.
 
After I have let someone take advantage of my problem-solving skills long enough without any improvement (let alone payback), I start being unable to solve their problems. "Gee, this time you've really got me stumped - better call a professional."

Amethyst

I did the same. Because I was always a computer geek growing up, and in the IT field, I was the one tapped to solve all my sisters' (and their kids) computer problems.

I extricated myself from that trap by suggesting they need to start taking their PCs to the Geek Squad, or something like that, because I got to the point I didn't know what was plaguing their systems.

Most of them gave up their PCs years ago, and now just have smartphones and tablets, for which I'm thankful. No more "Hey little brother, while you're visiting for the holidays, would you mind taking a look at our PC..." when I go visit.
 
Linux Mint is a very nice alternative to Windows. It's free and you can easily set it up on another partition on the hard drive and use a dual boot system. Linux distributions are getting as user friendly as Windows these days.

He could at least give it a try for no cost and use it as an alternative when he screws up his Windows OS.

It's cheaper than buying a Mac too.

Or, like suggested above, a Chromecast machine for $250 is great if he is a heavy net user. I bought one for my DW this Christmas and she absolutely loves it.
 
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My friend may be lonely....He rarely has a girlfriend due to his various physical flaws; he is short, has the speech impediment, and has a partial physical disability from a car crash 30 years ago (before I met him in 1988), all of which sharply limit his dating prospects (he has some awkward social skills, too). .

Just a thought - could pity for your friend be helping to drive you to over-help him? If so, you are a kind, sympathetic friend, yet he does not seem to merit pity. Women are known to fall in love with, and marry, men who are quadruple amputees or quadriplegics, are serving life prison sentences, or are confided to mental institutions. Your friend sounds considerably more fortunate.
 
I agree that he needs a Mac.

I hope he is not using his present computer for any financial use as it seems very vulnerable. Post his IP address here and I'll see if I can get in :)
 
Malware is a PIA, most times it's innocently downloaded, by someone attempting to do a legitimate installation.

Most folks don't realize that AV software is useless against it. The removal of admin rights sounds like a great idea, or changing to a less hacker friendly OS.

If you want to have a frustrating day, try cleaning a system that's been infected. Tools like Malwarebytes, hijackthis are a great help, but no guarantee it can be cleaned.
MRG
 
Malware is a PIA, most times it's innocently downloaded, by someone attempting to do a legitimate installation.

Most folks don't realize that AV software is useless against it. The removal of admin rights sounds like a great idea, or changing to a less hacker friendly OS.

If you want to have a frustrating day, try cleaning a system that's been infected. Tools like Malwarebytes, hijackthis are a great help, but no guarantee it can be cleaned.
MRG

When I work on a computer that has been compromised by malware, root kits, etc, I use Google to find out what variant is affecting the machine based on what is going on with the software, then search for a custom removal tool. Sometimes I get lucky and find one, or a detailed way to remove the problem.
 
Malware is a PIA, most times it's innocently downloaded, by someone attempting to do a legitimate installation.

Most folks don't realize that AV software is useless against it. The removal of admin rights sounds like a great idea, or changing to a less hacker friendly OS.

If you want to have a frustrating day, try cleaning a system that's been infected. Tools like Malwarebytes, hijackthis are a great help, but no guarantee it can be cleaned.
MRG

All the more reason to make an image copy of clean system.

I've stumbled on one of those "false scans then can't login or pay" Malwares before. Though probably possible, not easy to recover when you can't even see the desktop.
 
All the more reason to make an image copy of clean system.

I've stumbled on one of those "false scans then can't login or pay" Malwares before. Though probably possible, not easy to recover when you can't even see the desktop.

+1 well worth it.

I've been able to get by some of 'your screen is taken over 'using safe mode'.

As Aj8888 mentioned somtimes searching google will find an all encompassing fix.
Great ideas in this thread!
MRG
 
Speaking of... I just picked up a laptop for cleanup. This one is infected with conduit search and a multitude of toolbars and other crap. And they have a paid for active subscription to norton360. This is what happens when you run with admin rights.

Sometimes you have to physically remove the HD and plug in to another clean PC to run the removal tool. I have some custom built bootable CDs with scanning tools on them for removal.
 
Speaking of... I just picked up a laptop for cleanup. This one is infected with conduit search and a multitude of toolbars and other crap. And they have a paid for active subscription to norton360. This is what happens when you run with admin rights.

Sometimes you have to physically remove the HD and plug in to another clean PC to run the removal tool. I have some custom built bootable CDs with scanning tools on them for removal.
How about Ultimate Boot CD? Hiren Boot CD? Bart?
Once or twice I've used these to boot the machine, and run av software. The software can access network to get updated signatures.

Still, I don't look forward to spend a day cleaning up a Windows computer.
 
My friend came over last night and we discussed the situation.

He understands that I don't want to be his regular, personal tech services man. I told him about some of the various proposals from those of you who replied to this thread. He agrees that my frequent help may have made him somewhat dependent.

I mentioned to him the AVAST remote assistance which costs $150 per year and I am trying to find more info on that. I also mentioned the TeamViewer thing which would not take me out of the equation but would at least enable me to help him from my home.

I also explained to him that some of his browsing habits (mainly games and music and email, NOT porn) have some built-in hazards but I don't really expect him to simply stop playing those games.

Because he bought his PC only 15 months ago, I don't expect him to but a Mac or some other PC. He is not looking to do some ghosting or saving an image of his PC, those are too drastic for both of us.

I don't think pity is driving me to help him. He has been my friend for 26 years. I help him out because he is my friend.

I am a little confused by the Admin versus regular status. Some of the tips offered here require admin status but others ask me to change from Admin to regular user status. If I decide to pursue multiple options in this direction, would any of them conflict with each other? Or would I pursue those which require Admin status first, then change it to regular user status?

When his previous PC got infected with the Windows Antivirus Pro 2009 virus, that nasty pest disabled common anti-spyware and anti-virus programs he had on his PC and disabled System Restore! First, I had to reboot in Safe Mode just to get to System Restore, then after the Restore I was able to run his anti-spyware and anti-virus programs. I had to run the scans multiple times because they could not clean up the main problem (WA Pro 2009) and all the other garbage which infected his system along the way. It took several hours to finally rid his system of everything.

I am still leaning toward that MVPS host 127.0.0.1 thing which would divert many of the pests to a black hole. If all this ends up doing is reducing the frequency of his problems from monthly to once every 6 months that would be okay. I just get tired of his calling me every other week, causing me to dread that flashing light on my answering machine ("....my computer is f**ked up!"). I am looking into that, it seems promising.
 
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