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Old 07-27-2021, 09:15 PM   #1
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Iím such a noob. I have a financial advisor now and he says 1.55% is the going rate and thatís what their fee would be for handling our IRA and 401K. Is this true.

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All you have to do is shop around and you can determine the going rate.

Hint: its not 1.55%
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Old 07-27-2021, 09:20 PM   #3
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No, that is a very high rate.
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Vanguard will do it for 0.3%, or let you do it yourself for 0.04%.
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Old 07-27-2021, 09:25 PM   #5
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Kaysmum,

Welcome, it is good your here and looking to learn.

Suggest you go to the "Hi, I Am" forum here and read up on the many posts from folks looking to learn also. That was how I started here and it is really helpful - at least it was to me.

You can see how to generate a Post with the needed information to allow you to get good feedback and suggestions.

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Old 07-27-2021, 09:32 PM   #6
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1.55% is very high. There are several variables. Vanguard and Schwab are much lower and robo advisors also charge much less. It often is also a function of the amount of money under management.

We are with a large wealth management company and pay 0.8%. We have excellent communication with our FA who is also the head of the branch, as frequently as we want to meet him for portfolio review, on email and phone etc.
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Run away from that advisor. Have you read If You Can? https://www.etf.com/docs/IfYouCan.pdf
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Old 07-27-2021, 09:55 PM   #8
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Nonsense. Run away.
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Old 07-27-2021, 10:43 PM   #9
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You FA is taking you to the proverbial cleaners.

Dump him. Fast.
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Old 07-28-2021, 04:50 AM   #10
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If you need help deciding what to do with your money, I'd recommend going to a fee-only financial advisor (you can find them on the Garrett Planning Network). They'll charge you a fee to help you get things figured out, but then they don't drain your growth potential for years and years like the guy you're using now.

One thing that helped me realize how bad those 1-3% advisors are--I started considering them in context of the 4% rule. If I intend to live off 4% of my retirement savings each year, then an advisor charging 1% effectively means I'll either need to drop my withdrawls to 3%, or increase my nest egg substantially in order to cover that extra 1% per year. What I'm trying (and maybe failing) to say is that a 1% fee can actually reduce your available funds in retirement by 25%. That's not even to mention all the growth you'll lose out on during pre-retirement accumulation years due to the fee.

Frankly, I'd just dump my money into a lifecycle fund before I dealt with one of those guys.
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Old 07-28-2021, 04:59 AM   #11
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Thank you everyone so much! I made a new member post, and I'll email the financial guys right now. They let me put all my info on their eMoney site. I spent a lot of time doing that and should have checked their fees before I did! Should I delete it all before I tell them forget it -- no deal?
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Put everything in zero fee index funds in Fidelity or others with low expense ratio and forget about it. At the end you will beat at least 70% actively managed investors and that is even before the fees are taken into performance calculation.

Or do what your advisor told you and help them pay for their kids' college and take all the risks by yourself.
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Old 07-28-2021, 06:31 AM   #13
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One thing that helped me realize how bad those 1-3% advisors are--I started considering them in context of the 4% rule. If I intend to live off 4% of my retirement savings each year, then an advisor charging 1% effectively means I'll either need to drop my withdrawals to 3%, or increase my nest egg substantially in order to cover that extra 1% per year. What I'm trying (and maybe failing) to say is that a 1% fee can actually reduce your available funds in retirement by 25%. That's not even to mention all the growth you'll lose out on during pre-retirement accumulation years due to the fee.
The "advisors" would argue that their superior returns more than make up for their fees but that's rarely the case.

I agree with the others- 1.55% is NOT the going rate, run fast from these people, do some research and invest in a mix of 4-5 index funds with periodic rebalancing. And do NOT panic and sell in downturns. If you're tempted, take a look at any index in March, 2020 and see what it's done since then. Not selling in a down market is half the battle.

If you can erase all your data from the eMoney site that's a good idea- it may prevent them from hounding you later as they see your balances.
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Old 07-28-2021, 06:38 AM   #14
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Unless he guarantees you 12% return every year, or his fee is free, dump him.
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1.55% may be the going rate if your balances are below a certain threshold. I think most advisors have a sliding scale and that typically doesn’t go below 1% until your overall assets with them is over $1M. Whether to use an FA is up to you, but that cost may be in line. If you do want to use them, don’t be afraid to negotiate the rate down. $1M or not, I’d never pay over 1% and, as others have pointed out, there are way less expensive options.
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Thank you so much for your reply! My balance is about 500,000 including assets like paid off house (Worth at least 250,000, it hasn’t been appraised ) and vehicles The total 26,000 worth. And that is their only fee the 1.55% of earnings. They say they’re a fiduciary company and that the percentage based fee give them incentive for my accounts to grow. Should I move forward and negotiate them down to at least one percent?

This doesn’t seem like a lot, but my husband is already retired has pensions and annuities coming in that aren’t included in this. I have some survivor benefits they come along with this.
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The line about incentive for them to do better is complete bs. If your account balance goes down, they’re not going to refund you anything. That they are a fiduciary is good and if you want to stay with them, I would definitely try to negotiate a better price. However, I think you should look at other options and see if you can get comfortable with those. Full disclosure, I have an FA, but I don’t recommend them because the 1% is a hefty cost that weighs on your portfolio. I accept the cost for personal reasons, but I can’t in good conscious recommend the use of one. Look into other options. Also, share your concerns on this board. There’s a lot of good help here especially if your only reason for looking at an FA is because you don’t think you know how to invest.

Don’t be shy. There’s a lot of good help here for you.
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My going rate is 0.0% because I'm a DIYer.

When comes to my $, prefer to do on my own.

Less potential for conflict of interest .
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Paying a % of assets-under-management (AUM) is absurd no matter who the advisor is. If you feel the need for an advisor - and there's nothing wrong with that! - hire one who charges a fixed fee.

I no longer use them because I eventually outgrew the need for the hand holding, but here's a great post from Evanson Asset Management, which charges 3-4K a year regardless of account size and provides not only sophisticated advice but access to DFA and other institutional funds and a host of other services used by high net worth investors. There are many other such firms but their analysis here of just what you lose over time paying a percentage ought to have you running away from your current FA right away.

https://www.evansonasset.com/advisory-fees-98.htm
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Old 07-28-2021, 08:05 AM   #20
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Thank you so much for your reply! My balance is about 500,000 including assets like paid off house (Worth at least 250,000, it hasnít been appraised ) and vehicles The total 26,000 worth. And that is their only fee the 1.55% of earnings. They say theyíre a fiduciary company and that the percentage based fee give them incentive for my accounts to grow. Should I move forward and negotiate them down to at least one percent?

This doesnít seem like a lot, but my husband is already retired has pensions and annuities coming in that arenít included in this. I have some survivor benefits they come along with this.
As has been said, stay away. 1.55% AUM (assets under management) is too high. BTW if I understand correctly, you have to only count the money under his management. You need to subtract the house and cars from that 500K.
Consider if an account has ~250k, and assuming annual returns around 7.5%, he gets paid 1.55/7.5, or ~20%, of your annual earnings. Putting it another way, a year's 7.5% return on 250K is 18.75K and he'll get 20% of that for his "service" leaving you with only 15k earnings. Worse yet, he'll get paid his 1.55% even when your account looses money. Not a fair deal for no risk on his part IMO.

I find the bolded part above to be contradictory. He can't be a fiduciary if he stated his incentive is being paid more. I know it is always in the back of a fiduciary's mind, but the fact that he actually came out and said that, would make me wonder what his primary goal really is.
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