How much was your last trip & where did you go?

[REWahoo]

Although we don't run the numbers like you do RAF, we try not to allow our RV to go unused for long periods of time. We've averaged 60 nights per year in it over the past four years and plan to continue at that same rate.

However, I don't believe RVing is necessarily cost-effective compared to other means of travel/vacationing. Certainly not buying new (we paid 40% less than the cost of a new unit) and a high rate of utilization can make a RV a relative bargain, but I suspect your numbers are an exception to the typical RV experience. Far too many people do not follow through with their plans and allow them to sit unused - and that is expensive.

 

[RetiredAndFree]

Agreed on all the extra charges on the cruise. I started a thread at Cruise Critic forums on "does anyone else spend almost nothing extra on cruises". Many folks said that was dumb, partayyy!!!1 why go on a cruise if you aren't going to spend tons of money? We rarely spending anything extra beyond buying liquor at duty free prices (about half off). To each their own of course!

I took a look at Carnival Corp's annual report and the average expenditure per cabin is around $800+, which would exceed the price of this cruise. In other words, people do tend to spend a lot of money once on board. Not that there's anything wrong with that. It lets cruise lines price the basic fares much lower since they assume we'll drop more cash once on board.

We likewise make a game of not caving in to the upsell when cruising. If you focus on the stuff that's already included in your fare, there's a ton to do without shelling out additional money. The gym, the pools, the hot tubs, the entertainment, the food, the dancing, the art auctions (enjoy the info and free champagne, leave the bidding to others), the lectures, the classes (learned to use Photoshop on a cruise), the library, the ocean views, the film screenings, the welcome party free booze.

We generally do our own research for port stops, booking privately if we book at all. Usually the appropriate Rick Steves book is all we need.

We also bring our own wine on board, currently permitted with Princess and Cunard, Celebrity as well I believe, at two bottles per person. We restock as needed at port stops, and enjoy our wine 'privately' before heading to the dining room, and on our balcony before retiring. Wine, the ocean, and star gazing . . . doesn't get much better.

Our last several cruises have even covered gratuities, thanks to online vendors competing for business by virtue of cutting their own commissions (cruise prices are pretty static these days, but commissions are still up for grabs). The goal is to check out with a big fat $0 on the line labeled "Total Amount Due."

 

[RetiredAndFree]

Although we don't run the numbers like you do RAF, we try not to allow our RV to go unused for long periods of time. We've averaged 60 nights per year in it over the past four years and plan to continue at that same rate.

However, I don't believe RVing is necessarily cost-effective compared to other means of travel/vacationing. Certainly not buying new (we paid 40% less than the cost of a new unit) and a high rate of utilization can make a RV a relative bargain, but I suspect your numbers are an exception to the typical RV experience. Far too many people do not follow through with their plans and allow them to sit unused - and that is expensive.

I concur. Although it is actually cost effective in our case, RV'ing is far more of a lifestyle choice than a cost-saving choice. As I've often said 'RV'ing isn't for sissies.' It has it's share of stresses, in addition to it's joys, just like everything else.

 

[FUEGO]

We likewise make a game of not caving in to the upsell when cruising. If you focus on the stuff that's already included in your fare, there's a ton to do without shelling out additional money. The gym, the pools, the hot tubs, the entertainment, the food, the dancing, the art auctions (enjoy the info and free champagne, leave the bidding to others), the lectures, the classes (learned to use Photoshop on a cruise), the library, the ocean views, the film screenings, the welcome party free booze.

We generally do our own research for port stops, booking privately if we book at all. Usually the appropriate Rick Steves book is all we need.

That's how we do it too. So much to see and do and explore on board that we never have time for premium stuff. And when in port, we usually walk around or grab some cheap public transit where available. This last cruise I downloaded the maps to my phone in google maps offline mode which makes a cell phone without data connections a pretty awesome gps navigation tool.

I haven't been to any art auctions. Might have to try one next cruise (and not buy anything of course!).

We also bring our own wine on board, currently permitted with Princess and Cunard, Celebrity as well I believe, at two bottles per person. We restock as needed at port stops, and enjoy our wine 'privately' before heading to the dining room, and on our balcony before retiring. Wine, the ocean, and star gazing . . . doesn't get much better.

We did this on the last cruise on carnival. 1 bottle per 21+ guest. I realized I've pretty much given up drinking. I had a sip of wine out of DW's glass and maybe half a glass of her mango papaya guava sangria (half wine, half fruit juice). On the last day of the cruise DW had to engage lush mode and finish off bottle #2. We used to smuggle on a small container of hard liquor, but don't even bother any more. And when we boarded the ship after a port visit, we saw tons of people carrying on duty free bags and bringing them back to their staterooms for nearly free shots of tequila or whatever else they picked up while in port.

A few nights, DW would pour a glass of wine then carry it down to the theater for the evening show or we'd go out for an ocean side walk on deck.

 

[Bestwifeever]

We "budget" for extras when we travel (by "budget" I mean if there is something expected or unexpected that we want to do and it costs more, we just do it and don't care what it costs, without going overly crazy about it). We rationalize it by saying we can't go back in time and add that foofoo drink at sunset on our ship balcony, or that tour of the Paris catacombs that scared the crap out of our then 8- and 10-year-old kids, in ten years when we think we can afford it better. So far so good, no regrets.

Next year we have three big trips planned, two to Europe and one to Hawaii. I might have to modify this philosophy at some point . Or not.

 

[sengsational]

I took a look at Carnival Corp's annual report and the average expenditure per cabin is around $800+, which would exceed the price of this cruise. In other words, people do tend to spend a lot of money once on board.

Cruise companies pay a LOT of attention to "OBS" (on-board spending). I was trying to get something straightened-out at the pursor's office and being skilled at reading upside-down (from years at megacorp), I saw that my average daily OBS was printed right next to my name and loyalty level (i.e. Gold, Ruby, Platinum, Elite).

 

[Meadbh]

Cruise companies pay a LOT of attention to "OBS" (on-board spending). I was trying to get something straightened-out at the pursor's office and being skilled at reading upside-down (from years at megacorp), I saw that my average daily OBS was printed right next to my name and loyalty level (i.e. Gold, Ruby, Platinum, Elite).

Wow. I wonder if they run the data daily? They certainly use it to target their marketing.

 

[HFWR]

I've only been on one cruise, and likely the only one I'd take in the future would be Alaska (or possibly the Mediterranean).

Not a gambler, and don't care for clubbing much. Did drink a fair amount, but our group managed to smuggle enough on for cocktail hour every afternoon.

 

[FUEGO]

Cruise companies pay a LOT of attention to "OBS" (on-board spending). I was trying to get something straightened-out at the pursor's office and being skilled at reading upside-down (from years at megacorp), I saw that my average daily OBS was printed right next to my name and loyalty level (i.e. Gold, Ruby, Platinum, Elite).

I was thinking we'll never get invited back at discounted rates since our daily OBS was $2 per person on this last cruise. The guys dropping a few thousand on each cruise will probably get vouchers for a few hundred dollars off their next cruise or a couple hundred in on board credit.

But yes, OBS is a huge metric for operational success on cruise lines. In Carnival's latest press release, they reported better than expected earnings due to a 10% YOY increase in OBS (or something like that). Makes sense to put emphasis on OBS since it's almost all gross profit.

Digging into their annual report, it only cost $500 million to generate $3.5 billion in OBS revenue. 600% gross margin! Given their net profit of a billion or two a year, the OBS is what puts them in the black.

Which explains why they are giving away the cruises and hoping to rope you into spending a boatload (heh) extra once on board. I'm okay with that, since that approach gets me a subsidized first class ticket for dirt cheap.

 

[Gumby]

or that tour of the Paris catacombs that scared the crap out of our then 8- and 10-year-old kids, in ten years when we think we can afford it better. So far so good, no regrets.

The young wife and I loved the Paris catacombs. I'll bet your kids now remember it as a fun tour.

 

[CoolChange]

I was thinking we'll never get invited back at discounted rates since our daily OBS was $2 per person on this last cruise. The guys dropping a few thousand on each cruise will probably get vouchers for a few hundred dollars off their next cruise or a couple hundred in on board credit.

But yes, OBS is a huge metric for operational success on cruise lines. In Carnival's latest press release, they reported better than expected earnings due to a 10% YOY increase in OBS (or something like that). Makes sense to put emphasis on OBS since it's almost all gross profit...

You'll keep getting offers as long as there is still overcapacity in the industry, a situation I expect to persist for quite some time.

They would much rather have someone who has a large OBS; but, they would still rather have you than sail with the cabin empty, even at highly discounted rates.

I rarely pay more than $50/pp/day, sometimes significantly less for last minute deals. And, my OBS is near zero on most trips. Definitely a very cheap vacation for us if we can find cheap flights or use miles to get to a port.

I do take advantage of duty free liquor sales when my cabinet at home is getting bare. I have gotten amazing deals twice when the boat was being decommissioned or refurbished shortly after my cruise.

 

[imoldernu]

re: motel lowest rates

State line welcome center, many states:
Greenbook or Redbook coupon books - Always and ever best rates, and never have to worry about rates, or time/date of arrival.
I think this is the Redbook... not all states....
www.travelcoupons.com "The Best Same Day Hotel Deals in the Country....and the City"™


We've used these coupon books for about 30 years, and except for 2 times when the motels were sold out because of homecoming games... have never been disappointed and never seen a lower price. A little embarrassing, when the person in front of you pays $75 and we pad $54.

We're old fashioned... don't need elegance, and don't need the amenities of a kitchen, liquor cabinet, or an elegant view or a spa. Just a place to lay our heads until the morrow's adventure. Motels/Hotels for us, are not a destination.

Put this into perspective... Our original travel featured Motel 6... and the name came form the #6/night... circa 1960's... Wiki:

Motel 6 was founded in Santa Barbara, California, in 1962, by two local building contractors, William Becker and Paul Greene.[1][2] The partners developed a plan to build motels with rooms at bargain rates. They decided on a US$6 nightly room rate that would cover building costs, land leases, and janitorial supplies; hence the company name "Motel 6".[3]

 

[Derslickmeister]

Yes, get this. DH insisted we run the per-day cost numbers prior to purchasing RV number two, and now it has become a game to ensure we hit our target usage each year.

Conversely, have RV'd alongside rigs we know darn well are costing the owners hundreds, if not thousands, a day to use given cost vs usage vs resale. And yes, to beat you to the punch, wonder why they don't just stay at an upscale resort instead, which would surely be cheaper.

I tried to get my folks to run the numbers many times before they took the plunge but they wouldn't have any of that. I guess the economist gene skipped a generation You know, they did enjoy the times that they used it and I'm sure my mom has some great memories, can't put a per day price on that I guess...

 

[Moemg]

We've used these coupon books for about 30 years, and except for 2 times when the motels were sold out because of homecoming games... have never been disappointed and never seen a lower price. A little embarrassing, when the person in front of you pays $75 and we pad $54.

The only time I did use one of those books was on a trip back from Nashville & the hotel a Day's Inn was disgusting . Luckily we arrived late at night so did not see how awful the hotel was until the next morning . I think you get much better deals using Hotwire or Priceline .

 

[FUEGO]

You'll keep getting offers as long as there is still overcapacity in the industry, a situation I expect to persist for quite some time.

They would much rather have someone who has a large OBS; but, they would still rather have you than sail with the cabin empty, even at highly discounted rates.

I know I'll get the generic offers, but I've heard some people who spend a ton on board or gamble a lot will get very enticing offers like hundreds of dollars of extra OBC for booking a cabin (or even a free cruise!). Giving away a few hundred dollars to the cruiser that drops an extra $3000 on board ($2500 of which is pure gross profit) is a great marketing move. And with the loyalty clubs (aka data mining central) it's freshman SQL to get a mailing list of who to target with those enticing offers.

 

[MooreBonds]

They would much rather have someone who has a large OBS; but, they would still rather have you than sail with the cabin empty, even at highly discounted rates.

I haven't verified it myself, but when I was in Grand Cayman earlier this year, I was talking with a shop owner about the cruise industry, and he mentioned that all cruise ships have to pay the Cayman Islands a per-room port fee for every room on the ship, whether there is a person staying in the room or not. Perhaps other ports are different, but if that's the case, then it's a big incentive for the cruise line to get every room filled - and helps explain why they can offer super low last-minute fares just to get you onboard and paying the port tax (which isn't typically included in the quoted rates).

 

[sengsational]

State line welcome center, many states:
Greenbook or Redbook coupon books - Always and ever best rates, and never have to worry about rates, or time/date of arrival.
I think this is the Redbook... not all states....

We also use the hotel coupon book when we do a highway trip. It gives us flexibility for how far to drive in a day. And I really don't like trying to negotiate a room rate at the end of a long day; you can't really "shop" without a lot of time walking into a bunch of hotels.

PS: Yesterday there was a duplicate post (one with the right link, one with the wrong link). Today there's one post, but it has the wrong link!

 

[Walt34]

PS: Yesterday there was a duplicate post (one with the right link, one with the wrong link). Today there's one post, but it has the wrong link!

I fixed it, the one up now has the correct link in it.

 

[ItDontMeanAThing]

How much did you spend on your last trip and where did you go?

Tokyo and Kamakura, Japan for 13 nights.
RT Airfare from Bangkok: $690.
In-country spending, excluding shopping: $1386 or $107 per day.
Photo gear shopping*: $803.

Travel style: Average hotel $66 a nite; transport was trains, bus, foot and 1 taxi ride; entertainment (photography) was usually free except for entry fees; didn't spend more than $15 on a meal, most were simple.

*Japanese goods are significantly cheaper in Japan than in Thailand.

 

[sengsational]

Went to the Outer Banks of North Carolina. 4 nights/5 days and spent about $950 for the two of us ($120/person/night), but that includes $239 in hang gliding lessons (google tandem hang glider

Since I wasn't sure where we'd end-up each night, I did not book ahead. The motel coupon books don't cover the outer banks (they really are best for interstate motels), so I used Priceline.

This was my first use of Priceline. I did the Clark Howard "first check hotwire, then use that info to bid on Priceline". You need to be careful, though, because the fees for bids is around 15% of the bid (that's in addition to tax, of about 13% of the bid plus fees).

Two nights I bid and two nights I bought what they call Express bookings. The fees on Express bookings are closer to 10% rather than 15%. Anyway, I paid $75, all-in for 3 star hotels on the beach right near the Wright memorial. There was only a handful of motels that participated in Priceline, only 2 and 3 star motels.

There was a "gotcha" aspect to Priceline that I thought I'd share: I bid $58 and with taxes and fees, that became $75. After accepting my bid, it said you can "extend your stay", implying that I could get more nights at $58, but when I tried that, it said it would be $71 ($92, all-in), so I could extend, as long as I paid 22% more! I ended-up going in anonamously, with a different browser and different credit card and getting the good rate, but, alas, in a hotel about 1/2 mile away.

 

[FUEGO]

Sengsational, you had to switch hotels each night? Sounds rough!

Off season (past Sept 1), and especially during the week, you can get some awesome deals on NC beach hotels. Sometimes you can call and negotiate a great rate, especially if you're doing so at the last minute in the evening and they have many empty rooms. Although $75 total per night isn't bad at all.

 

[TallTim]

Spent a week in Amsterdam ... about $10K all-in for family of four, including air (almost $8k of the total right there). Home trade worked out very well.

 

[kgtest]

Stayed in San Diego for a few nights in Mission Bay. The most expensive part of the trip was Fogo De Chao Brazillian Steakhouse but I didn't have to pay for that as our dinner guests picked up the check. Got a deal with US Airways where I received 2 companion tix for $99...but buddy was so ecstatic he tipped me when he repaid his ticket. Hard to really tally it but Airfare - 300 -CarRemtal - Free (they forgot to charge me), Hotel (Free, again they forgot to charge me), lunch and dinner - $50, activities- $90 Wild Animal Park.

Looks like we got away with about $440 give or take.

We were also in the middle of a police chase on the 5. Some guy robbed a WF and crashed his car...I hear they use dye packs these days...when will they learn.

The trip before that was New Zealand and the exchange rate was terrible. Both islands cost us $3500/person. A delayed honeymoon.

The next trip I am taking is to visit family down south on frequent fliers for $28 ticket, and I snagged a $50 rental car with a free $20/gas coupon. Staying with friends and fam for a few days so this one will likely cost under $300.

Then me and the DH are going somewhere in the Carribean in January for her Babymoon trip. We are taking inexpensive suggestions. Freq fliers are banked for US Air, United, Delta and Southwest so airlines are prob covered... Any ideas on cheap Caribbean accommodations, please PM me.

 

[kgtest]

Spent a week in Amsterdam ... about $10K all-in for family of four, including air (almost $8k of the total right there). Home trade worked out very well.

Me and three of my close buddies high-tailed it to Amsterdam back in 1999. We all lied to our folks and told them we were checking out each of the other guys prospective college campuses.

Carlson Wagonlit was running a special, buy 1 $199 round-trip ticket and receive another one for $199, but the catch was you needed to buy the 2 tickets via iceland air. IT WAS MEANT TO BE RIGHT? I had to borrow $100 from my sis for spending money and we stayed in the RLD bulldog hostel for like $12/night and $1 for a hot shower.

Best DAMN TRIP of my life. We were 17 and 18. I almost died out there nearly getting nailed by a trolly. I also caused a gentlemen to simultaneously ding his bicycle bell and lock up his breaks as I stumbled in front of him.

Buddies were all over the RLD and its offerings. Even saw the russian KGB roughing a feller up out there. Awesome pastries but it coulda been the munchies.

 

[mpeirce]

Me and three of my close buddies high-tailed it to Amsterdam back in 1999.

OK, so past trips...

Back in 1985 (!) I was fresh out of college and my college buddies wanted to meet somewhere and do some skiing now that we were out of college and spread across the country). Where to meet? Colorado? Vermont? California?

Well, it turned out that Italy was cheaper at the time because the Lira was in the dumps. Also TWA was running a promotion with Polaroid - buy a camera and get 25% off airfare. I bought a cheap Polaroid for someone for christmas and got the deal. (Found this reference to it via a google search

Palm Beach Daily News - Google News Archive Search

So we all flew to Milan, piled into two (teeny Fiat) rental cars and drove up into the alps (Cervinia). We rented a condo for 6 days and experienced the best skiing ever. Skiing down the other side of the Matterhorn into Switzerland one day was fun too. We fixed a lot of our own food in the condo, but really enjoyed the really inexpensive Italian restaurants too. We wrapped it up with a tourist day in Milan (saw da Vinci's Last Supper being restored) before we flew home. Did I mention the Lira was CHEAP at the time.

Total cost was under $1000. For a week skiing in the alps including airfare from San Jose, California.

A pretty sweet deal.