Please Pass The Creamed Aparagus

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http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/6/10/2626/pdf

Oh boy, have the public health killjoys ever put one over on us over the past 50 years!

I think I'll have some nice fresh raspberries with crème fraiche to celebrate.

Ha

 

[Free To Canoe]

I knew it!
DW is trying to kill me with the low fat - no fat crap. Low fat cream cheese is the worst.

Good article Ha Ha. Interesting that they saw no benefit from fish.

Free to canoe

 

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I knew it!
DW is trying to kill me with the low fat - no fat crap. Low fat cream cheese is the worst.

Good article Ha Ha. Interesting that they saw no benefit from fish.

Free to canoe

I bet fish would be heart protective if taken as creamed finnan haddie, or maybe smoked herring in sour cream with a garnish of chilled cumcumber?

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[RonBoyd]

I bet fish would be heart protective if taken as creamed finnan haddie, or maybe smoked herring in sour cream with a garnish of chilled cumcumber?

With chocolate on top... and a cherry.

 

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With chocolate on top... and a cherry.

Anything is better with a cherry.

 

[W2R]

When I was little, milk was not homogenized and the cream floated on the top. We would pour off the cream into a little pitcher before drinking our milk. The cream in the pitcher went into our parents' coffee, or on fruit or into the refrigerator to use later in recipes.

I haven't had cream in so many years that I doubt I would recognize it. Seems luscious, rich, decadent, and dreamy..

 

[WhoDaresWins]

Best to eat real food in moderation. I never look at the fat or salt content of anything. If I want it, and it is available, I eat it. Fortunately, I don't have any medical conditions that demand a restrictive diet, and my tastes tend to be healthy overall. I eat a lot of fresh veggies and fruits and whole grains. My downfall is premium cheeses and chewy fresh breads. Homemade minestrone tonight for me. Might grate some Parmesan on top.

 

[Tigger]

A very interesting study. Thanks!

They even compared people who consume unpasteurized milk with pasteurized milk (result: no significant difference). Very thorough. I just regret that they didn't mention how people who didn't consume any dairy products whatsoever fared. Maybe there weren't enough of those in their sample.

 

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A very interesting study. Thanks!

I just regret that they didn't mention how people who didn't consume any dairy products whatsoever fared. Maybe there weren't enough of those in their sample.

Likely true. I lived for many years in a Scandinavian-American farming community. We bought milk in a gallon jar, straight form the farmer's Jersey cows. These people live on dairy. Still, if the low dairy fat group had outcomes clearly worse than the medium and high fat goups, what additional information would you be looking for in a no dairy fat group? I wonder if any significant number of these people would exist even in the USA?

Ha

 

[RonBoyd]

I haven't had cream in so many years that I doubt I would recognize it. Seems luscious, rich, decadent, and dreamy..

It most certainly is. If you have the patience, make créme fraîche. If not, purchase Crema Mexicana at Wal Mart. Heaven is just a taste away.

Cook's Thesaurus: Cultured Milk Products

 

[audreyh1]

It most certainly is. If you have the patience, make créme fraîche. If not, purchase Crema Mexicana at Wal Mart. Heaven is just a taste away.

Crema Mexicana - now you're talking! If you're in Texas, the HEB store version is the best.

Audrey

 

[Meadbh]

When I was little, milk was not homogenized and the cream floated on the top. We would pour off the cream into a little pitcher before drinking our milk. The cream in the pitcher went into our parents' coffee, or on fruit or into the refrigerator to use later in recipes.

I haven't had cream in so many years that I doubt I would recognize it. Seems luscious, rich, decadent, and dreamy..

Oh, that brings back memories!

Strawberries and cream......

 

[Khan]

Likely true. I lived for many years in a Scandinavian-American farming community. We bought milk in a gallon jar, straight form the farmer's Jersey cows. These people live on dairy. Still, if the low dairy fat group had outcomes clearly worse than the medium and high fat goups, what additional information would you be looking for in a no dairy fat group? I wonder if any significant number of these people would exist even in the USA?

Ha

I grew up on and around small farms. Jersey cows, milk not homogenized, not pasteurized; I miss the stuff.

 

[WhoDaresWins]

It most certainly is. If you have the patience, make créme fraîche. If not, purchase Crema Mexicana at Wal Mart. Heaven is just a taste away.

Cook's Thesaurus: Cultured Milk Products

I love Cook's magazine! I buy old issues for ten cents each at the public library. I don't care how old they are as they are timeless and reliable.

 

[Tigger]

These people live on dairy. Still, if the low dairy fat group had outcomes clearly worse than the medium and high fat goups, what additional information would you be looking for in a no dairy fat group?

Well I've always been wondering if milk was healthy or not.

I suppose it probably is good, and the general public and most doctors think so.

But there are dissenting opinions out there. My family doctor advises against milk for adults. And professor Keith Woodford is convinced certain "newer" and very prominent cow races like Holstein-Friesian have a mutation that promotes diseases like heart disease and diabetes. (he's defends his theory in a book, citing from over 100 scientific studies - I haven't read it)

I have no idea who is right, but I certainly would like to know.

 

[audreyh1]

I think people of Indoeuropean descent have adapted to milk in their diet as they developed a mutation that allowed digestion of milk in adulthood. This adaptation spread throughout the European population. That tells me that there was some strong long-term survivor benefit to milk in the diet for this genetic mutation to become so dominant. If you look at caucasian cultures - there are many that have heavily used milk - cow or other hoofed animal for millennia.

So, IMO, milk is perfectly healthy for most adults of these heritages (assuming they are lactose tolerant), but perhaps not for other races. I just don't think whether milk is "healthy" for adults can be universally applied as we are not all the same genetically.

Having said that, I still stick to the low-fat forms of milk/yogurt etc. ( I buy only organic to avoid growth hormones). I prefer to get my fat from olive oil, etc.

Audrey

 

[mews]

A lactose-tolerant mutation (Dif. from indo-european afaik) also shows up in some of the cattle-herding cultures of Africa. Most of the world doesn't have one.

We eat what there is to eat - I suspect there are not many ethnic Irish allergic to potatoes or milk - they all died off!

ta,
mew

 

[WhoDaresWins]

I use organic milk on cereal but like many here get most of my dairy from yogurt, cottage cheese, cheese, all of which I believe are digested differently from milk(enzymes?). I have no problems with lactose intolerance and have no food allergies. I think if something does not agree with you, avoid it.

 

[samclem]

I think people of Indoeuropean descent have adapted to milk in their diet as they developed a mutation that allowed digestion of milk in adulthood. This adaptation spread throughout the European population. That tells me that there was some strong long-term survivor benefit to milk in the diet for this genetic mutation to become so dominant.

True, but the main killer of humans throughout history has been starvation, and our genes are adapted most to help us beat famine (that's why it's so hard to lose weight!). Natural selection will, over time, select for traits that lead to the highest number of offspring that later reproduce (to pass on the trait). It doesn't do anything to select for longevity. To the tribe, a 40 year old was a rarity, and a consumer of scarce resources. Likewise, a gene that allows an individual to digest milk from herd animals and thereby live to have and raise several children is a big win, it doesn't matter that the arteries clog up afterward.

Lots of books and diets tell us that we are "meant" to eat this or that thing, our bodies have adapted for that over millions of years, yada, yada. Yes--but our ancestors ate those things and lived to be 35 years old, maybe 50. If we want to live longer (which is not "natural") then we should probably not be surprised if we need to do "unnatural" things to attain that longevity.

We're now dying of cancer and heart disease and other signs of senescence and system breakdown to which our genes never had a chance or a need to adapt and overcome.

 

[audreyh1]

I don't think that dying due to obesity or cancer or lack of exercise says that we shouldn't eat what our ancestors ate. It might mean we should try to get closer to the physical conditioning of our ancestors although that is almost impossible in our modern life.

And the fact that humans keep living longer throughout the millennia indicates to me that there is likely at least some small benefit to longevity that helps our descendants reproduce.

I don't see that there is such a clear indication that milk in the diet guarantees clogged arteries at older ages when there are so many other dietary factors and so many additional non-dietary factors at play. So I just don't get that particular part of your point. You are saying it is clear we should eat differently from our ancestors? And if so, in what way - which ways have been proven to be better?

Audrey

 

[mews]

And the fact that humans keep living longer throughout the millennia indicates to me that there is likely at least some small benefit to longevity that helps our descendants reproduce.


Audrey

I'll agree with Audrey about the exercise - as I sit here and type on a rainy day

Longevity - there have been studies done about the 'grandmother effect' - in poor tribal societies, having the mother's mother still alive has a BIG effect on children's chances of survival.

ta,
mew

 

[TromboneAl]

Lots of books and diets tell us that we are "meant" to eat this or that thing, our bodies have adapted for that over millions of years, yada, yada. Yes--but our ancestors ate those things and lived to be 35 years old, maybe 50. If we want to live longer (which is not "natural") then we should probably not be surprised if we need to do "unnatural" things to attain that longevity.

As I mentioned on another thread, this is exactly what I thought and said a few years ago. Now I figure it's more like this: Putting the right kind of gas and oil in my car is important, even if the car has lasted much longer than expected.

BTW, that other post lead me to an interesting thought. I've had a number of accidents, injuries, and diseases in my life which, had I lived in prehistoric/premedicine times, would have killed me at a young age.

But let's say I lived back then (transported back in time 10,000 years as an infant), and didn't have any of those. And let's say that I wasn't killed by a saber-toothed tiger or marauding tribe. I wouldn't be that different, genetically, from my caveman buddies.

Would I have lived to the age of 56? What would I look like?

 

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Would I have lived to the age of 56? What would I look like?

I don't know any of the other answers but, with those shades, you would be the coolest cat in the clan.

 

[RonBoyd]

But let's say I lived back then (transported back in time 10,000 years as an infant), and didn't have any of those. And let's say that I wasn't killed by a saber-toothed tiger or marauding tribe. I wouldn't be that different, genetically, from my caveman buddies.

Would I have lived to the age of 56? What would I look like?

Good point.

A Long Melancholy Roar

Although predators are not an important problem for most of us today, they surely were for our ancestors. Indeed, millions of years ago, fear of predators would have been one of the forces that caused our ancestors to evolve to live in groups. The seeds of our social lives were watered with blood and nurtured by the roar of the lion and the claw of the leopard.

More recently, however, it’s been the case that the mammal most likely to kill a human is: a human. Murder and war have long been more important causes of death for us than predatory wild animals.

and quite disturbing:

But here’s the thing. Today, in many parts of the world, the human being most likely to cause your violent death is: you.

 

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Would I have lived to the age of 56? What would I look like?

George Clooney.