Paris / Rome Trip

I've heard of backpacks being stolen along with purses. I think the thieves target the classic American woman's purse because of the habit of women to carry their entire lives in it. The male equivalent is the wallet in the back pocket. The pickpockets know where the most likely profitable grab is going to be.

Americans stick out in Europe and there's no way we can disguise it without buying new wardrobes and avoiding tourist sites.

DW and I were on a river cruise and 3 out of about 60 couple were pickpocketed before the cruise left port. I have no clue how many were hit before their 3 days in Paris were up.
Those are good warnings.

Sure. I know we'll stand out as tourists. We take our precautions.

We have a collapsible daypack that we sometimes use to carry jackets, umbrellas, a guidebook. I guess this and my shoulder bag will be our decoys.

And I also carry a camera bag. :eek:

We noticed in Germany and Austria no one ever guessed we were American. We got some weird guesses. Australian? Irish? We don't dress like "normal" Americans even here at home.
 
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I carry a little bi fold wallet with a chain, secure it in my purse, then tuck it in a purse pocket. Someone can cut my purse but the wallet won't fall out. If I don't want to carry a purse I hook the chain to a belt loop and tuck it in my pocket.View attachment 21298

I think the most useful tip I read and used was to take a bicycle cable and lock. We used it to secure our luggage to the railings on trains so we wouldn't have to worry about dozing off. We also used in to lock our belongings in the armoires (we wrapped the cable thru the door handles and padlocked it tight) in the older hotel rooms. Our hotel room was broken into in Geneva and they got absolutely nothing because we locked the armoire.


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We have lanyards on everything. And we do take a sleek metal cable and lock in case we need it, although we haven't yet tried locking the armoire with it!
 
We have lanyards on everything. And we do take a sleek metal cable and lock in case we need it, although we haven't yet tried locking the armoire with it!

We have a helluva job getting hand grenades through customs...but once we explain that they'll only be used for booby-trapping our luggage........;)
 
I'm still a little nervous about being approached by the fake police. Apparently also an issue in Amsterdam.
 
DW and I had an absolutely great time in Italy (Rome, Florence, Venice) a couple of years ago. We had no problem with local thieves. Maybe it's our NYC-childhood upbringing, or just good ol' fashioned luck.
But we did take precautions: we always walk with a brisk "confidential air" pace, and we did our best to stay vigilant and simply eye the crowd ahead of us. I carried minimal cash and one credit card. DW carried a different card ......and we had a third card back in our hotel room safe.
It never happened, but we would not have let anyone approach us, ask for directions, etc.
 
Yeah you can binge on museums with the Paris Visit museum pass. You have to try to hit as many museums as possible in a set number of consecutive days. But the line skipping is worth it. It's especially important at popular venues like the Louvre, Musee d'Orsay, Orangerie, etc.

Some passes come with combo metro tickets but those tend to be more expensive. Might be better to get a separate metro pass or a carnet of 10 tickets at a lower price. Metro system is great as all businesses list their location in relation to the nearest metro station.

However, you can see more by walking and taking buses, which use the same tickets and passes. Only tricky thing about buses is that it's harder to tell where they go. So nowadays, you can get an app which will use your location and you enter the destination and it will show you options to get there, including on buses. But you need data for your phone.

I binged on museums the first couple of times I went to Paris and other European cities. Even sat down to read the little placards explaining some of the works, artists and so forth. But now, if I go to museums, it's more to appreciate the architecture. They've poured millions into restoring these places and many have historic import like the Louvre being a palace of several hundred years old.

First time I went, in the '90s, there were few galleries which were air conditioned. On hot summer days, they opened the windows which overlooked the Seine. This was before the IM Pei pyramid. Now you have the beautiful courts with the statues and then the whole square with the pyramid heading out to the Tuileries. There's a cafe with a balcony that overlooks the pyramid and the stately buildings.

Orsay used to be my favorite, for the openness and the renovation they did. The Rodin museum and Invalides are also worth seeing. In fact, if getting a museum pass, it's a good idea to first go to a museum which isn't as crowded to buy the pass so that you can use the line skipping in more crowded venues. Invalides is a good place to get the pass, or at least, it used to be. It stores the remains of Napoleon and the gold dome shows the splendor of Parisian architecture.

As for parks, Jardin de Luxembourg is great in the summer. Of course Champ de Mars with view of the Eiffel Tower is great too.

In Rome, most of the places mentioned are great. The squares or piazzas are also big draws. Spanish Steps and the Piazza d'Espagna is a nice area. For day trips, Villa d'Este is nice.
 
A lot of people wear their backpacks in front. In the metro, you'll often be standing right up against other people in packed trains.

But some of the scams you hear about are like someone in front of you appearing to fall down as people exit the train and someone from behind bumps into you, which is when they take something.

Pickpocketing is a bigger problem in Italy and Spain, where there are motorcycle thieves.
 
I pretty much keep everything in front of me whenever stopped - like on train, escalator, waiting for train, ticket counter, hotel lobby. DH does the same. We avoid/walk away/ignore anyone approaching us.
 
A team of pickpockets once fell at the foot of an escalator in front of us in Paris. Everyone coming down the escalator were falling as they were picking pockets. Now we:
1. Don't carry any billfolds--just one ATM card and little cash not in our pockets.
2. Wife walks close behind me in tight places, and she's not carrying any $ or cards.
3. Americans are too nice and cordial to those that get close to them. I'm now a complete a$$hole to anyone that gets within 4' of us. At 6'3" and 230 lbs., pickpockets don't mess with me.
 
Americans stick out in Europe and there's no way we can disguise it without buying new wardrobes and avoiding tourist sites.

We lived in Paris for several years and still spend a month or so each year.

It's the brand-new white sneakers and T shirt with logos that are the giveaways. Black sneaks and a collared shirt; we'll think you're a German tourist!

Pickpockets are the most skillful we've seen; even DW got hit despite all her awareness. Watch out for the "look, I just found this ring on the sidewalk" scam.

With only 3-4 days, we suggest avoiding the Louvre (too long to wait and too big to see much) unless you just want to see the Mona Lisa. Try the Musee D'Orsay; a few hours and you're done; buy and print tickets online.

Every hour on the hour after dark, the Eiffel Tower has a great light show that lasts 10 minutes. Free!

Ste Chapelle is nice on a sunny day and not very crowded, just a block from Notre Dame.
 
Another vote for Sainte Chapelle. Our daughter (now 14) had been to Paris three times by the time she was 7. Unfortunately, she doesn't remember any of those trips.

Now that we are retired, I plan to spend lots of time in Europe...months, if possible.
 
We lived in Paris for several years and still spend a month or so each year.

It's the brand-new white sneakers and T shirt with logos that are the giveaways. Black sneaks and a collared shirt; we'll think you're a German tourist!

Pickpockets are the most skillful we've seen; even DW got hit despite all her awareness. Watch out for the "look, I just found this ring on the sidewalk" scam.

With only 3-4 days, we suggest avoiding the Louvre (too long to wait and too big to see much) unless you just want to see the Mona Lisa. Try the Musee D'Orsay; a few hours and you're done; buy and print tickets online.

Every hour on the hour after dark, the Eiffel Tower has a great light show that lasts 10 minutes. Free!

Ste Chapelle is nice on a sunny day and not very crowded, just a block from Notre Dame.
Maybe because we don't wear t-shirts or white athletic shoes or white socks or fanny packs or shorts or even jeans. They know we're tourists, but don't catch that we're American.

Wow, sounds like we have to avoid anyone talking to us in public areas!

I'm looking forward to the light show. We should be able to see the tower from our hotel.
 
AAA sells a purse with metal clips that lock every zipper and a metal cable in the strap. I wore it crossed over my shoulder, never hanging off of my shoulder all through the worst pickpocket areas in Europe (Athens, Rome, Barcelona) and had no problems. I also kept my hand on the purse at all times. We left most of our money and our passports locked in the safe on the cruise ship. Carried our cruise pass, one credit card between 4 of us, and some Euros. We also photocopied the photo page from our passports and kept that in the underclothing wallets that DS and DH had. No one even tried to pick our pockets or steal the purse.

I love the decoy wallet idea. Now I know what to do with expired gift cards! Awesome!
 
This seems to morphed into a "how not to get pickpocketed thread" :p Useful but back to the OP original question.

Paris I cannot help you with and I think since you are with Trafalgar some of your time is booked already. I would definitely recommend the Vatican tour if you can in Rome. We did self tours of the Coliseum and Pantheon as was as Ostia Antica using podcasts downloaded from Rick Steves Website for free and those worked out well but I don't think it would work as well for the Vatican since there is just sooo much there. Plus we had a very outstanding guide who clearly loved her job which also makes a big difference. The rest of the 4 days we had in Rome were spent wandering around. For me the coolest thing about Rome was you could turn the corner on a non descript street and find a 2000 year old obelisk there with a few guys having a smoke in front of it. Not a tourist attraction at all but it was.

Oh and the food ....yum. We did however do a fair bit of research ahead of time and have some idea of where we wanted to go to eat on every night but the first when we were pretty jetlagged
 
OK - Man, the pickpocketing stories are pretty bad. This one has amazing poster comments, many of whom had been victimized, and recently too. It's very well to walk rapidly away from people brandishing clipboards, but the RER and Metro sound very difficult to avoid cluster/close situations. Paris: Tackling the Problem of Pickpockets - TripAdvisor

I guess I won't be carrying much when we go out in Paris. I think we'll also use taxis for when we are coming from the airport or leaving with our luggage. Sheesh!

Avoiding Pickpockets | Embassy of the United States Paris, France
 
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I think we'll also use taxis for when we are coming from the airport or leaving with our luggage. Sheesh!

Last time in Paris (2014) we rented a little (and I mean little) place at Mairie des Lilas, (last stop on one Metro line, followed by a 1/2 mile walk with our luggage)............got there from the airport with no problem, went in and out to the middle of Paris, no problem......it's a breeze. Don't panic. ;)
 
Paris is not that bad. Spain and Italy are worse.

You can take shared shuttles from the airport. Or the commuter train or the Air France bus.

I would not take a taxi all the way, you'd be paying over 50 Euros.

You can take the train or the bus to a central station and take the taxi from there, especially if you're toting a fair amount of luggage. Otherwise, if it's the middle of the day, you can probably get away with taking a subway train with luggage, though you would have to lug it up and down the stairs of the stations.

A shared shuttle will get you right to the door so that's not a bad choice for a first time trip since you're not familiar with the city. But depending on the other passengers, you may have to wait while the shuttle stops at a few other hotels first. It's usually been 60-90 minutes between the time the driver arrives and the time he drops you off.

All other forms of transport besides taxis require changing to another form of transportation at some point, which is a hassle with luggage.
 
We took the train from CDG to the center of town. Even during rush hour too. No problem. But one time when leaving, the early morning flight required us to leave the hotel at 3AM, and the train was not running, so we took a taxi. It's been a while, but 50 Euros sounds about right.
 
The RER trains stations are along the left bank of the Seine. Such as the station under the Musee d'Orsay or St. Michel in the Latin Quarter.

From there, you would probably have to switch to a subway line and then walk some distance with luggage to the hotel. It could be close or it could be a couple of blocks.
 
OK - Man, the pickpocketing stories are pretty bad. This one has amazing poster comments, many of whom had been victimized, and recently too. It's very well to walk rapidly away from people brandishing clipboards, but the RER and Metro sound very difficult to avoid cluster/close situations. Paris: Tackling the Problem of Pickpockets - TripAdvisor

Wow those stories are terrible but I wonder if there's an internet amplification effect going on? I spent a week walking all over the city and riding the metro and didn't have any problems or saw anyone having problems.

The worst I encountered were people trying to sell ticket in the metro (easy to ignore), annoying vendors of trinkets near the eiffel tower (mostly legitimate), and the bracelet guys near sacre coeur (everybody just walks around them). However we tended not to ride the metro during rush hour and maybe it would be worse then.

I took my camera gear everywhere but just kept it in a nondescript backpack when not using it (zippers locked off).

The nice thing about paris is that none of the museums seemed to care if you brought your DSLR in to take pictures.
 
Paris is not that bad. Spain and Italy are worse.

You can take shared shuttles from the airport. Or the commuter train or the Air France bus.

I would not take a taxi all the way, you'd be paying over 50 Euros.

You can take the train or the bus to a central station and take the taxi from there, especially if you're toting a fair amount of luggage. Otherwise, if it's the middle of the day, you can probably get away with taking a subway train with luggage, though you would have to lug it up and down the stairs of the stations.

A shared shuttle will get you right to the door so that's not a bad choice for a first time trip since you're not familiar with the city. But depending on the other passengers, you may have to wait while the shuttle stops at a few other hotels first. It's usually been 60-90 minutes between the time the driver arrives and the time he drops you off.

All other forms of transport besides taxis require changing to another form of transportation at some point, which is a hassle with luggage.
I don't mind paying €50 from the Paris airport for the two of us after an overnight flight and feeling jittery. It would cost €34 for the Air France bus and then we would have to get a taxi anyway - or ride the not-so-safe section of Metro 1.

That's what our travel budget is for - comfort, security, relaxation, and avoiding major hassles.

We survived Milan twice, even with some gypsy kids harassing us near and in the metro, but that was back in the 90s.

We had no trouble in Vienna, or Amsterdam, and other major European cities, but Paris sounds a little more challenging in the tourist areas.

Fortunately most of our trip is outside Paris.
 
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Wow those stories are terrible but I wonder if there's an internet amplification effect going on? I spent a week walking all over the city and riding the metro and didn't have any problems or saw anyone having problems.

The worst I encountered were people trying to sell ticket in the metro (easy to ignore), annoying vendors of trinkets near the eiffel tower (mostly legitimate), and the bracelet guys near sacre coeur (everybody just walks around them). However we tended not to ride the metro during rush hour and maybe it would be worse then.

I took my camera gear everywhere but just kept it in a nondescript backpack when not using it (zippers locked off).

The nice thing about paris is that none of the museums seemed to care if you brought your DSLR in to take pictures.
That's good to know.

I'm only taking extra precautions when we are traveling with luggage. We've done trams/metro/buses with luggage before with no problems.

And I may leave my iPad mini and any bag/purse back at the hotel while in Paris. And just carry the camera.

We'll see how it goes.

I don't know if there is an internet amplification effect, but I did research about Vienna and Amsterdam in recent years and I found warnings, especially about Vienna, but I didn't find this level of stories.
 
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