pb4uski
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Brexit shows us just how difficult some things can be, even when they’re easy to promise. ...
Yup, like getting your neighbor to pay for your fence.
Brexit shows us just how difficult some things can be, even when they’re easy to promise. ...
To clarify, American politics are off limits on this forum but it is okay for people to post partisan messages regarding politics in other countries ?
To clarify, American politics are off limits on this forum but it is okay for people to post partisan messages regarding politics in other countries ?
Brexit is not a partisan issue, as both pro and con have followers and members of all major parties.
Issues don’t choose political parties, but parties do align around issues. Many US issues that have significant political implication are regularly discussed here. It becomes a problem when the discussion drifts from the issue to the politics.
Brexit is not a partisan issue, as both pro and con have followers and members of all major parties.
Just have to let my family and friends who voted for Brexit know that they were "uninformed" and "didn't know what they were doing"
I think this is much like the early days of what became the United States.
Over the years more rules and regs were added but the EU has a fundamentally weak central legislature that lacks direct election of representatives.
So everything really happens through the bureaucracy and regulation rather than true laws, which badly undermines consent and discussion.
Sprinkle in a non-mandatory central currency with almost zero central fiscal planning
The financial problems in Greece, the immigration crises, etc. in many way spring from this structure.
there is no debt union for the Euro (a critical flaw)
Yes, this is correct. You could also see that in the vote by member country, and as usual, by other dividing factors which are becoming increasingly common in Western-style democracies.That's a pretty black and white American centric political way to look at the issue. Partisanship doesn't mean choosing just between right and left parties (and a lot of countries have more than two parties don't forget)
Brexit follows a lot of fault lines in the UK. Rural/urban. North/South. English/Welsh/Scots/Irish. Young/old. Rich/poor.
It is therefore VERY much a partisan issue.
But I gather this is the official line so I will desist. Just have to let my family and friends who voted for Brexit know that they were "uninformed" and "didn't know what they were doing"
Could you develop this point? I do not know what this means, although I suspect it to be important in understanding the forces driving the issue of EU departures.
Yes... not a direct connection, but most assuredly an event that will have far reaching consequences in the world markets.
Am I the only one who does not comprehend the scope of the decision?
After reading ... yes.. for several hours, to try and understand the complexities of this coming event, I am still at square one. There are 28 countries in the European Union, each with a somewhat different interest in the union. Whether the monetary system, border access, taxes, language, or any of a dozen more interactions... what was working, is now up for grabs.
I cannot understand why diplomacy has broken down to the point that negotiations are a thing of the past.
Seems as if our US politicians understand the situation. I used to think I was at least as smart as them, but now realize it must be me.
Does anyone know of a relatively simple online explanation of what's happening, that also points up those roadblocks that keep the problem from resolution.?
That may be true, but I'm not a big fan of "re-votes". So if one group doesn't get their way, they just get to ask for a do-over? Best 2 out of 3? Best 3 out of 4 or 5? Where does it end?
Be careful what you wish for.
-ERD50
I agree. Former PM Cameron probably thought the referendum would be an easy Remain and would settle the issue. I've asked many Brits about their opinion and more than a few were very emotional about the issue. Like a divorce, easy to demand a split but after the euphoria of newly found freedom wears off, the reality of a decrease in living standards sets in.
The EU accomplished peace in a continent that regularly erupted in to bloody conflicts. Considering the diversity of the region, I'm surprised it's held together as long as it has. Interesting to observe and I wish all parties the best of goodbyes
Should've had a re vote.
Ok then. That's what they want, no more crying. No complaining. Boris lead the way. We'll see how it goes!Looks like the Tories will win his election. (Even the Guardian is calling it for the Tories)
It's effectively a Brexit revote and the leave side just won.