Coronavirus - Health and preparedness aspects - II

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ncbill said:
Grabbing a $40 washlet seat off Amazon would be better for your bum and avoid having to stock upon on so much TP.
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I knew that bidet that came with the house we bought would turn out out to be useful. :)
 
I'm guessing this is a false positive, but if not, it adds a whole new dimension to the problem:

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong...onavirus-dog-hong-kong-covid-19-patient-tests

The pet dog of a Hong Kong Covid-19 patient tested “weak positive” for the new coronavirus, the government announced on Friday.

The city’s Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department said in a statement the dog had not shown any symptoms and there was no evidence to suggest that pets could contract the coronavirus or be a source of infection in people.

It said more tests would be conducted to confirm if the dog had really been infected or if this was a result of environmental contamination of its mouth and nose.​
 
Between our camping kit and our hurricane kit we have everything we need. Usually check supplies/expiration dates in March as we prepare for camping season but moved it up a few weeks.
 
FIREd said:
I see it rarely mentioned, but one’s cellphone is a petri dish in the best of times. So if I use my phone while outside, I clean it with an alcohol wipe when I get back home.
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Whenever I use my phone to look at the latest news I use alcohol to deaden the pain of what I’ve just read. :)
 
Reinfection?

I'm not clear on these reported cases of reinfection. It sounds like these aren't simply relapses, but cases of people catching it a second time:

Coronavirus patient who recovered from the disease and then passed two-week quarantine tests POSITIVE four days later.

And this:

Doctors in China have warned that the Covid-19 could be even deadlier for patients who catch it again.

According to a report in the New York Post last week, the whistle-blower physicians in Wuhan have found that medically cleared patients have been getting reinfected.

My understanding is that the tests actually detect DNA sequences of the virus in the bodily fluids rather than antibodies in the blood.
 
Sunny said:
So hopefully this won’t seem too over the top to most people.....

  1. Of most interest probably this is a very common sense list of items to get / think about from a virologist in Australia: https://virologydownunder.com/so-you-think-youve-about-to-be-in-a-pandemic/
  2. I’d reiterate, fill your prescriptions too even if Covid doesn’t run rampant in the U.S. since so many ingredients come from elsewhere anyway. Plus it is good to have extra in case you take a long trip. ;)
  3. This is an excellent opportunity to review your own emergency plans for whatever ails your neck of the woods (snow storms, earth quakes, tornadoes, hazard spills on the interstate, etc.). Don’t have one? Utah has a great site for preparedness for citizens, most states have something. CDC has suggestions. I’d extend the often suggested 3 days of food out to a week or two though.
  4. Note: Water bottles you get from the store last decades despite the date printed on them. There isn’t a need to buy special water. As long as you keep it in a cool place that doesn’t freeze, store purchased water bottles (think Dasani or Aquafina, or better 3 or 5 gallon purified containers) buy once and forget about it. Don’t go buying blue water that is $40 for a 12 pack.
  5. In case you don’t have water on hand and have water supply issues (pipes burst to your house in the winter and the snowstorm has road blocked for 3 days) get a Sawyer squeeze off of Amazon or your favorite camping store
  6. No need to buy fancy survival food, just have what you eat regularly but more of it. Check the list at the link above. If you want fancy, just get something like Mountain House freeze dried packets that campers use.
  7. Don’t panic, don’t horde. ;)
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Excellent article link.
We have our basic survival gear/food. I am heading to the store today to replace/add more bleach, hydrogen peroxide, hand sanitizer, and refill canned goods and paper products that have been depleted.
I usually do the needs assessment and replacement every summer, but decided now is a good time.
 
FIREd said:
During flu season, I have a bottle of hand sanitizer in my car for when I am out and about. At home, I wash my hands thoroughly and regularly with soap and warm water (first thing I do when I get back home).

Keeping my hands away from my face is a real challenge, I find, and I have to be intentional about it.

I see it rarely mentioned, but one’s cellphone is a petri dish in the best of times. So if I use my phone while outside, I clean it with an alcohol wipe when I get back home.
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I'm setting up level one decontamination stations in the trunk of both cars. When exiting the car, leave everything you can in the car (just take credit card, not wallet, etc). When returning to the car, open trunk and wipe down your hands and everything you are carrying. Everything. This will be done with a complete set of spray bottles and paper towels and a hazardous waste bag :)

Then, a level 2 station, just inside the one door of the house that we use. The L2 station will be similarly equipt.

Just going to the mailbox is going to take 10 minutes, lol!


All of this would be for naught if we don't severely limit our contact when out of the house, so no eating or drinking outside the house. I figure that's why the cruise ships had such a failure to isolate...they might have eaten in their cabins, but one shedders plates were picked up and handled by staff. The same staff that probably was delivering the next meal. You want a small viral load with your ham sandwich?
 
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garyt said:
I posted this somewhere else but Singapore is having problems and it's 85* there now. Doesn't seem like heat is an answer.
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Unfortunately, air conditioning probably produces a near perfect environment for survival of the virus on surfaces. Hospitals, malls, and many stores have AC.
 
Kwirk said:
Unfortunately, air conditioning probably produces a near perfect environment for survival of the virus on surfaces. Hospitals, malls, and many stores have AC.
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Yeah, I had read that the weather may not slow it down, either.

https://www.latimes.com/science/sto...slowed-down-by-warmer-weather-scientists-warn

Hoping that we make it to warmer weather before the coronavirus possibly arrives in the United States in force?

Don’t bother, scientists say. Unlike with the seasonal flu, the change of seasons may not matter much to the coronavirus.
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^^^ Nice!

It's just like the usual flu, except that we now have it year round. :)

Oh well. We just have to get used to it.
 
I keep repeating - research shows that you need at least 78% ethanol to kill SARS & MERS coronavirus in 60 seconds.

Bottled water, in plastic jugs & bottles, does not last decades. The seams on the bottle give way & it leaks out.
 
 
TromboneAl said:
Reinfection?

I'm not clear on these reported cases of reinfection. It sounds like these aren't simply relapses, but cases of people catching it a second time:

Coronavirus patient who recovered from the disease and then passed two-week quarantine tests POSITIVE four days later.

And this:

Doctors in China have warned that the Covid-19 could be even deadlier for patients who catch it again.

According to a report in the New York Post last week, the whistle-blower physicians in Wuhan have found that medically cleared patients have been getting reinfected.

My understanding is that the tests actually detect DNA sequences of the virus in the bodily fluids rather than antibodies in the blood.
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This isn't a question particularly to the poster, but do you think the virus mutated and that's why some people seem to have been infected multiple times like with the seasonal flu? Or this test often shows false-negatives? I know for the passengers from the Diamond Princess who are hospitalized in Japan - they have to have multiple test results that come back negative before they're considered recovered, and I wonder why...
 
 
tmm99 said:
This isn't a question particularly to the poster, but do you think the virus mutated and that's why some people seem to have been infected multiple times like with the seasonal flu? Or this test often shows false-negatives? I know for the passengers from the Diamond Princess who are hospitalized in Japan - they have to have multiple test results that come back negative before they're considered recovered, and I wonder why...
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I suspect that false-negatives are, at least, a significant problem. I think the tests are often performed on nasopharyngeal samples while the virus may be sequestered deep in the lungs where most of the damage is done. Hopefully, the relapsed patients are not highly infectious.
 
 
JoeWras said:
We have a serious issue of education here. This may scare me more than anything else I've read so far.
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Absolutely. That underlies a lot of the problems we have in this country.

Japanese schools will be closed for a month, so maybe we should take this opportunity to catch up.
 
And now dogs...

CNBC has a story that a dog has been tested weak positive for the virus. I tend to scoff at the doom and gloom elements of the 24 hr news cycle, but- if this virus can jump back and forth, is highly contagious, has a long incubation period, and continues to mutate such that you can get it multiple times...

This could be the beginning of the zombie apocalypse. I roll around scenarios of how to stay safe, and at some point, I conclude that you can't avoid the apocalypse. The math does not work. We've had a good run. Our world does not end with a bang, it ends with a sniffle.

That's enough Internet for the day.
 
MichaelB said:
The World Health Organization just returned from China. Here is their assessment and report https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...na-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf
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If I understand correctly from the report, physical contact is the transfer method of the virus.

"Routes of transmission COVID-19 is transmitted via droplets and fomitesduringclose unprotected contactbetween an infector and infectee. Airborne spread has not been reported for COVID-19and it is not believed to be a major driver of transmission based on available evidence;however, it can be envisagedif certainaerosol-generating proceduresare conducted in health care facilities. Fecalshedding has been demonstrated from some patients, and viable virus has been identified in a limited number of case reports.However, the fecal-oral route does not appear to be a driver of COVID-19 transmission;its role and significance for COVID-19 remains to be determined. Viral shedding is discussed in the Technical Findings (Annex C)."

And their recommendation for individuals :"Begin now to adopt and rigorously practice the most important preventive measures for COVID-19 by frequent hand washing and always covering your mouth and nose when sneezing or coughing;"
 
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