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Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, (so many Coronavirus threads), but we found it interesting/informative....about 35 minutes long, (subtitles....unless you understand Korean):

 
Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, (so many Coronavirus threads), but we found it interesting/informative....about 35 minutes long, (subtitles....unless you understand Korean):


A little more info please before I watch a 35 minute video in Korean?
 
A little more info please before I watch a 35 minute video in Korean?

Basically an interview with an experienced professor of infectious studies who has been involved with combating SARS, Swine Flu, etc......what is known, what is projected, time frames what is hoped for and what is not hoped for.

Much/most of the information is available elsewhere, but we found it interesting regardless.
 
Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, (so many Coronavirus threads), but we found it interesting/informative....about 35 minutes long, (subtitles....unless you understand Korean):



I just watched it. It is worthwhile as it is an interview with a Korean doctor and professor who is an epidemiologist and has worked with 2003 SARS and other virus.

Some noteworthy points to compare with other reports:

* 20% of the infected have no symptoms
* 90% of fatalities are above the age of 60
* infection mostly by contact with droplets
* there are some rare cases of recurrence, where a recovered patient got sick again (possibility of virus mutation not mentioned)
* PCR (RNA identification) test is given only to people with symptoms
* Anybody can get tested by paying US$140. If the test result is positive, the Korean government will reimburse the cost
* 30% of the infected lose senses of smell and taste
* Masks worn by people in public help reduce spreading
* South Korea is better positioned to have more test capacity, due to being more prepared from past experience with SARS, and H1N1 virus
* As of 3/24, South Korea has done 338,000 tests for a population of 51.5 million (0.65%)
* Competition from the private sector for profit motives drives the fast development of tests
 
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Unendorsed, since I have no knowledge of anything, and therefore cannot ascertain veracity, but I thought I'd pass it along for comment:

https://www.todayville.com/are-your...Lo9AZlEoR4f2Lwj9OEkRabFhRD1HZI5AZ5e-cPwF9E5DM

Do I really need to disinfect all of the individual boxes & baggies everything came in? I also think that this is also advice that does not make scientific sense.

If you are concerned about the outside of food packages being contaminated, I suggest that you wash your hands and or sanitize your hands before you sit down to eat any food that you might’ve taken out of those containers.

And guess what, washing your hands before you eat is a best practice even when we’re not in a pandemic!

Do I really need to scrub all your fruits and veggies with soap before eating? This is the worst advice being given by this irresponsible MD. Soap should *absolutely* not be used to wash food. See my earlier comments:
Soap is not designed for food. As mentioned in the linked thread, soap can cause nausea, vomiting and diarrhea if ingested. Current recommendations by scientific experts including the FDA, say to wash fresh fruits and vegetables in cold water.

He also seems to have a belief that I find surprisingly common (including among food safety professionals). That is the belief that I referred to as “handwashing is magic”.

Hand washing is not magic, nor does it “sterilize” your hands as claimed in the video. The only way to sterilize your hands would be to plunge them into boiling water, which I don’t recommend for obvious reasons.

We’ve done research on handwashing in my lab. You can count on a hand wash (depending upon your technique), to likely give you somewhere between a 90 a 99% reduction in transient microorganisms on your hands.

A microbiologist would call this a 1-2 logarithm reduction. Let’s contrast that with the sterilization process used for canned foods. That would give you a 99.9999999999 percent reduction. In case you’re counting, there’s 12 nines in that number.

Is washing your hands good? Of course it is. Is it going to sterilize your hands? Absolutely not. But it is a good risk reduction technique. As is the use of hand sanitizer. So do both of those things.

If your hands are getting dry from too much handwashing, be sure to use some moisturizer.

Also re: washing produce, people may wonder about “veggie wash” products. Many of these have not been evaluated for their effect on bacteria and none have been evaluated for their affect on SARS-CoV-2, the causative agent for COVID-19.

Many of veggie washes are likely no more effective than water. On the other hand, if it makes you feel better, and you don’t mind throwing money to the veggie wash company, I say go for it.

Some people are also asking about vinegar for washing fresh produce. Again the research says it’s not much better than plain water. Save the vinegar for oil and vinegar dressing on your salad.

Are reusable bags risky? Many people use reusable bags as a responsible choice. We do this in my family as well. It’s a best practice (even before the times of pandemic) to wash your reusable bags on a regular basis.

While it is theoretically possible that a reusable bag may pick up germs, including coronavirus while in the grocery store, the biggest threat that anyone faces is someone else in the store who has COVID-19.

I would suggest that you keep your grocery bags in the car, so you have them handy the next time you go shopping. If you’re concerned that your bags might have coronavirus on them you can wash them.

You should also wash your hands after you have finished putting all your groceries away. This was also a good advice even before pandemic.
 
Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, (so many Coronavirus threads), but we found it interesting/informative....about 35 minutes long, (subtitles....unless you understand Korean):

This was posted in another thread. I'm now wearing a mask in any enclosed space, grocery store, pharmacy, relative's house, etc. What the Korean Dr. said that concerned me was the aerosol droplets that can float in the air for hours.

Also, brought up in the 60 Minutes segment, how quickly a patient deteriorates (within 12 hours in some cases). ER Doc on that segment said she's never seen a disease act that quickly. Patient walking, talking with symptoms on a ventilator within 12 hours?
 
ER Doc on that segment said she's never seen a disease act that quickly. Patient walking, talking with symptoms on a ventilator within 12 hours?

I guess we've all seen pics, unverifiable perhaps, but purportedly from China, of people who have supposedly collapsed and died in the streets, and wondered how they were ambulant before they expired if they were already exhibiting symptoms?

That said, I recall how quickly I deteriorated with sepsis so it may not be so unusual.
 
Unendorsed, since I have no knowledge of anything, and therefore cannot ascertain veracity, but I thought I'd pass it along for comment:

https://www.todayville.com/are-your-groceries-dangerous-facts-from-a-food-microbiologist/
I think the todayville server fell over (doesn't respond for me ATM).



Is this commentary on the zoom meeting recording of that NYC doc that treats Covid-19 patients all day long and knows he won't be infected because he wears a mask when in the room with them and washes his hands?
 
I think the todayville server fell over (doesn't respond for me ATM).

Is this commentary on the zoom meeting recording of that NYC doc that treats Covid-19 patients all day long and knows he won't be infected because he wears a mask when in the room with them and washes his hands?

The other one you mentioned may have been Dr. David Price.

Todayville link worked OK for me.....here's the intro:

Don Schaffner is a professor of food microbiology at Rutgers School of Environmental and Biological Sciences. He hosts two podcasts called Food Safety Talk and Risky or Not? Here he refutes a widely seen video which urges everyone to go to great lengths to wash their groceries.

Unless you are living under a rock or have already perished from COVID-19, you’ve likely seen a YouTube video making the rounds where a medical doctor (wearing scrubs!) purports to give COVID-19 advice.

I’m not going link to the video, because if you haven’t seen it, consider yourself lucky. First of all, scrubs? Aren’t those meant for being around sick people? Why would you wear something like that in your house. It seems very irresponsible.

I’m a food microbiologist. Would you like me to give you advice on how to care for your sick kids? I don’t think so. Don’t take food safety or microbiology advice from MDs that don’t understand food, science or very much about microbiology.

There are a few things that he gets right, but I’m not going to focus on those. I’m going to spend my time here focusing on the things that he gets partly or completely wrong.

He completely misrepresented the 17 days figure from CDC. This was based on finding viral RNA, not infectious viral particles. The CDC report also does not give the methods used but cites personal communication… impossible to peer review.
 
The 15 minutes thing makes me chuckle. All it takes is 30 seconds with some loud talker blasting away at me, and I'd be virus soaked.

Yeah the timing thing has me curious. I imagine it's some sort of observed realistic bell curve wherein casual contact under 15 minutes usually doesn't include any ... spraying .... but given long enough someone will cough or sneeze or snort or spit and there ya go.

I basically treat anyone in public now like they are Pigpen.

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Maybe some threshold of virus particles or viral load before you can get infected

Also some people may be more susceptible to infection than others.

There are some reports that people on ACE inhibitors and ARBs for things like hypertension may be more vulnerable because those medications increase the "expression" of ACE2 receptors which is what the virus attaches to
 
I'm going to continue to put my groceries in the sink and spray with my diluted bleach solution (and wipe/rub packages, food with my gloved hands), then rinse off, or let dry a couple of minutes and put in the fridge.

Canned stuff I leave in a box to age 4 days minimum to kill covid-19.

My food does not taste like bleach as bleach evaporates away (unlike dried soap), and it does not cause me any issues.

I used to lifeguard at many pools and that smell of chlorine in a pool is the chlorine (active ingredient in bleach) evaporating.
 
Here's is Peter Attia's latest podcast. It's well over an hour, and not for those who aren't into the details of CV19. So, I recommend listening to it from minutes 5 to 25. Where his guest makes several interesting points:

https://peterattiamd.com/michaelosterholm/

1. Corona viruses are not seasonal. Don't expect CV19 to slow down or hibernate just because Summer arrives in a few months. :(

2. There seems to be good evidence that there is at least a short-term immunity if one has already been infected. That will help to slow down CV19 as time goes on. :)

3. In China about 70% of men over age 65 smoke which is a huge risk factor. They made up a disproportional number of the deaths.

4. Obesity is another risk factor that is very common in American. Obesity increases the death rate from CV19.

5. Many drugs we need to care for critically ill people come from China and the Lombardy area of Italy. :eek:

All-in-all he makes a good case for not smoking, losing weight,, and social distancing to avoid the worst of CV19. And avoid doing anything stupid that forces you to go to a hospital for any reason.

Of course, no guarantee these are the final words on the subject. Take what you wish and leave the rest.
 
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Here's is Peter Attia's latest podcast. It's well over an hour, and not for those who aren't into the details of CV19. So, I recommend listening to it from minutes 5 to 25. Where his guest makes several interesting points:

https://peterattiamd.com/michaelosterholm/

1. Corona viruses are not seasonal. Don't expect CV19 to slow down or hibernate just because Summer arrives in a few months. :(

2. There seems to be good evidence that there is at least a short-term immunity if one has already been infected. That will help to slow down CV19 as time goes on. :)

3. In China about 70% of men over age 65 smoke which is a huge risk factor. They made up a disproportional number of the deaths.

4. Obesity is another risk factor that is very common in American. Obesity increases the death rate from CV19.

5. Many drugs we need to care for critically ill people come from China and the Lombardy area of Italy. :eek:

All-in-all he makes a good case for not smoking, losing weight,, and social distancing to avoid the worst of CV19. And avoid doing anything stupid that forces you to go to a hospital for any reason.

Of course, no guarantee these are the final words on the subject. Take what you wish and leave the rest.

If Corona viruses aren't seasonal how does he explain the seasonalness of the cold Corona viruses? I'm not saying that COVID is seasonal, just hoping it will act similar to the cold viruses. That will of course still be an issue as the Southern Hemisphere goes into their winter season.
 
If Corona viruses aren't seasonal how does he explain the seasonalness of the cold Corona viruses? I'm not saying that COVID is seasonal, just hoping it will act similar to the cold viruses. That will of course still be an issue as the Southern Hemisphere goes into their winter season.

Well, if you take a look at any map of the hotspots for Covid-19, you'll see a bright red section in southern FL, especially the east coast. And it's been hot as hell here for the past month. I know a lot of that was from Spring Break and a denier governor, but if the virus was seasonal I would expect less of an impact down here, not more.
 
If Corona viruses aren't seasonal how does he explain the seasonalness of the cold Corona viruses? I'm not saying that COVID is seasonal, just hoping it will act similar to the cold viruses. That will of course still be an issue as the Southern Hemisphere goes into their winter season.
Not all coronaviruses are the same. The MERS outbreak started in June 2012 in Saudi Arabia. We won't know this one's sensitivity to seasonal changes until we actually see it, but it did spread in Singapore in January, when the highs were in the 80s and 90s.
 
Well, if you take a look at any map of the hotspots for Covid-19, you'll see a bright red section in southern FL, especially the east coast. And it's been hot as hell here for the past month. I know a lot of that was from Spring Break and a denier governor, but if the virus was seasonal I would expect less of an impact down here, not more.

Maybe people need to turn off their AC and open their windows wide.

To test the warm climate effect on the virus, we need to watch the tropical countries that have no AC.
 
If it’s true that the primary means of transmission is water droplets, with heat and humidity, the larger droplets shouldn’t remain airborne as long as in colder, drier weather.

Or survive as long on surfaces?
 
Several posters have cited the Stanford Medicine research on disinfecting n95s. The authors ARE updating the cite to reflect new research. Noticed this change about using dry heat. The advice 2 weeks ago used the term: dry heat (temperature and time specified) in a "a kitchen-type of oven." That now has been replaced with "(not your home oven)." https://stanfordmedicine.app.box.com/v/covid19-PPE-1-1

Wonder if the concern is the disinfection procedure could somehow contaminate the home oven? The authors should have provided an explanation for the changed language. Any thoughts?
 
Several posters have cited the Stanford Medicine research on disinfecting n95s. The authors ARE updating the cite to reflect new research. Noticed this change about using dry heat. The advice 2 weeks ago used the term: dry heat (temperature and time specified) in a "a kitchen-type of oven." That now has been replaced with "(not your home oven)." https://stanfordmedicine.app.box.com/v/covid19-PPE-1-1

Wonder if the concern is the disinfection procedure could somehow contaminate the home oven? The authors should have provided an explanation for the changed language. Any thoughts?

The lawyers got to them.
 
Several posters have cited the Stanford Medicine research on disinfecting n95s. The authors ARE updating the cite to reflect new research. Noticed this change about using dry heat. The advice 2 weeks ago used the term: dry heat (temperature and time specified) in a "a kitchen-type of oven." That now has been replaced with "(not your home oven)." https://stanfordmedicine.app.box.com/v/covid19-PPE-1-1

Wonder if the concern is the disinfection procedure could somehow contaminate the home oven? The authors should have provided an explanation for the changed language. Any thoughts?

Thanks, good concise source, I'll send that to my son and daughter.

I'm assuming (with high confidence though), that the "not your home oven" is because home ovens have very poor temperature regulation, and very uneven heating. Few have an actual 70C/158F setting. Your average person just isn't going to get this done in a home oven.

It's too bad they don't provide a range of temps. For example, if they said 180F to 160F for 30 minutes, a careful person could put the masks inside a pot in the oven, with some thermometer probes, into a low oven. When it gets near 180F, shut the oven off. It would probably stay above 160F for the remaining half hour. You'd need to monitor it.

Like USGrant1962 just said, this is too risky from a legal liability viewpoint.

Though steam for 10 minutes is almost as good, and that's pretty easy to control.

-ERD50
 
Just got an email that my dermatologist is doing tele health visits . How does that work ? Do you get naked and stand in front of your lap top ?
 
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