Are your neighbors ignoring the stay at home orders?

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This is not the case in the city of San Diego. Parks and beaches have been closed for over 2 weeks.

From what I have read most if not all beaches in San Diego, Orange and Los Angeles county are now closed.

Our local news station, KTLA was out here filming yesterday. They did a piece on the 5:00 news advertising how there is still one beach open in Orange County with plenty of parking. Guess what the neighborhood looks like today?
 
Roger this. People's homes still need maintenance and repairs to remain habitable, especially when they're essentially imprisoned in them.

If sanitizing carts and keeping one's distance is effective at the grocery store*, why wouldn't it be effective at hardware or department stores? Likewise for outlets dealing in sporting goods, clothing, automotive, hobbies, etc. Either we stay consistent or we lose credibility and the mission fails.

The second greatest tragedy of this epidemic will be the gratuitous destruction of businesses casually deemed "nonessential", along with the impoverishment of millions of innocent people who used to work there. It didn't need to be that way.

*If it isn't effective, then let's stop pretending it is.

A most excellent post! :)
 
If we really are dorks, the future will not view us kindly

And your suggestion of how we should be doing it differently would be?

I thought I had illustrated the point in my post. So many businesses in my area either close completely or all but close. Health professions other than critical care are simply putting patients on hold: Dentists, orthopedic clinics, physical therapists, allergists, dermatologists, etc.

Retailers - other than grocers - furlough staff and turn off the lights. Education has already commenced summer break even before spring break. Public recreation areas are fenced off. Summer camps are cancelled. And I don't need to tell you how the restaurant, theater and cruise industries have cratered.

And yet, we are told that a handful of very achievable precautions regarding sanitation and separation will mitigate the progression of the disease. Wipe down touched surfaces, minimize gatherings and keep folks apart, wash your hands, contain your coughs and sneezes. That's pretty much it, and it's hard to believe that all those shuttered shops couldn't have managed those few simple procedures.

Of course, perhaps it really does take much more to arrest this disease than cleanliness and ordinary good manners. In which case, the plague will spread anyway, untold thousands will die anyway, and all we've done is destroy the economy for no reason beyond "We've got to do something. Shutting down businesses is something. So let's do that."

Sorry for the vehemence of my venting. None of this is directed at you or any other individual. It's more a condemnation of all of us, which by definition, includes me.
 
The list of essential businesses here in Minnesota is pretty inclusive. Our aquarium stores are still open, which amazes me. I have nine fish tanks, so I would like to go to the aquarium store, but it is definitely not worth the risk. I will take the small risk of infection to get food, but I’m not going to do it to buy fish stuff.

Florida's governor decided houses of worship are essential.

As Forest Gump said "that's all I have to say about that".
 
I thought I had illustrated the point in my post. So many businesses in my area either close completely or all but close. Health professions other than critical care are simply putting patients on hold: Dentists, orthopedic clinics, physical therapists, allergists, dermatologists, etc.

Retailers - other than grocers - furlough staff and turn off the lights. Education has already commenced summer break even before spring break. Public recreation areas are fenced off. Summer camps are cancelled. And I don't need to tell you how the restaurant, theater and cruise industries have cratered.

And yet, we are told that a handful of very achievable precautions regarding sanitation and separation will mitigate the progression of the disease. Wipe down touched surfaces, minimize gatherings and keep folks apart, wash your hands, contain your coughs and sneezes. That's pretty much it, and it's hard to believe that all those shuttered shops couldn't have managed those few simple procedures.

Of course, perhaps it really does take much more to arrest this disease than cleanliness and ordinary good manners. In which case, the plague will spread anyway, untold thousands will die anyway, and all we've done is destroy the economy for no reason beyond "We've got to do something. Shutting down businesses is something. So let's do that."

Sorry for the vehemence of my venting. None of this is directed at you or any other individual. It's more a condemnation of all of us, which by definition, includes me.

OK, I but I still don’t see any specific recommendations on what you would do differently here. Just a lot of pontificating on how everything we are doing now is wrong. If you have a specific recommendation of something we should be doing differently, what is it? Close everything including grocery stores? Open everything back up and whoever dies, so be it?
 
Yes, that is what I am saying. We are all supposed to stay at home and take a short break for fresh air and exercise by our homes. The fact that I live at the beach is irrelevant. Any city has certain areas that are popular areas for people to congregate. During this pandemic we do not need to be going to those areas and gathering in large groups. If a small number of people live right in those areas and happen to be walking around their neighborhood, so be it. That doesn’t mean we need the entire city gathering there right now.

There are lots of places I like to visit that are outside of the beach. I don’t go to any of them any more. It’s not right to the people who live there and also need some space right now. We should not be congregating in large groups in any one area. Period.

I am hearing many people in many areas of the country have that attitude of “get out” to anyone who, in their view, does not belong there. The argument is less about social distancing than it is about people wanting to keep their local spaces and stores to themselves. Like they somehow own it.

Sad.
 
I thought I had illustrated the point in my post. So many businesses in my area either close completely or all but close. Health professions other than critical care are simply putting patients on hold: Dentists, orthopedic clinics, physical therapists, allergists, dermatologists, etc.



Retailers - other than grocers - furlough staff and turn off the lights. Education has already commenced summer break even before spring break. Public recreation areas are fenced off. Summer camps are cancelled. And I don't need to tell you how the restaurant, theater and cruise industries have cratered.



And yet, we are told that a handful of very achievable precautions regarding sanitation and separation will mitigate the progression of the disease. Wipe down touched surfaces, minimize gatherings and keep folks apart, wash your hands, contain your coughs and sneezes. That's pretty much it, and it's hard to believe that all those shuttered shops couldn't have managed those few simple procedures.



Of course, perhaps it really does take much more to arrest this disease than cleanliness and ordinary good manners. In which case, the plague will spread anyway, untold thousands will die anyway, and all we've done is destroy the economy for no reason beyond "We've got to do something. Shutting down businesses is something. So let's do that."



Sorry for the vehemence of my venting. None of this is directed at you or any other individual. It's more a condemnation of all of us, which by definition, includes me.



I agree 100%. This is a very bad experiment from which we will all be doomed one way or another.
 
Florida's governor decided houses of worship are essential.

As Forest Gump said "that's all I have to say about that".

Yes, let's poke fun at people's religion during a time of crisis (manufactured or not). There's a special place for people like that.
 
The problem is that because of a few rotten apples, the death rate will increase until draconian measures are put in place. In another thread, I just posted a news video of Swedes going about as nothing happens. They just don't care.

My sister-in-law told my wife of an incidence yesterday at a Costco in San Diego. They passed by the store, and saw that they had a chance to enter after a few weeks of skipping it because of the long line. They stood too far from the people in front of them for a safe distance, and a guy just cut in. When they protested, the asshat said that it was because they were so slow. He would not move.

Now, would you want to start a fistfight over that, if it happened to you? But we have people like that in this world.
 
I am hearing many people in many areas of the country have that attitude of “get out” to anyone who, in their view, does not belong there. The argument is less about social distancing than it is about people wanting to keep their local spaces and stores to themselves. Like they somehow own it.

Sad.

None of this has anything to do with the fact that we are in a pandemic and are all supposed to be staying home and not gathering at popular hangouts.
 
OK, so don't go. Key statement there is "asked" you to do. As long as I am 6 ft or more away from others, then I don't give a damn what any governor says, regardless of ANYONE'S opinion.
If this is the general attitude here in the USA, then I fear for our future. :(
 
Staying home, nope the jerks that robbed our farm shop overnight didn't stay home..new welder, welding helmet, all the welding rods, impact wrench tools and a couple of boxes of spare parts we have on hand for Spring work. No doors broken and at least they didn't screw with our machinery..

Apparently these "tools" didn't get the stay at home order.
 
OK, so don't go. Key statement there is "asked" you to do. As long as I am 6 ft or more away from others, then I don't give a damn what any governor says, regardless of ANYONE'S opinion.

If this is the general attitude here in the USA, then I fear for our future. :(

Some people have attitudes like that until their friends and family start getting it then its a totally different tune being sung.
 
In Brooklyn they closed the park near me a few days ago. The bocce ball section has no gates but today they put up wooden fences to block where you enter. An hour later I saw a group of kids playing basketball. I guess they climbed over one of the fences to the playground.

In NYC we aren't supposed to call 911 for something like that these days. I'm signed up for "Notify NYC" alerts and one today said "EMS has been responding to a record number of medical emergencies each day. Only call 911 for life-threatening emergencies."
 
Some people have attitudes like that until their friends and family start getting it then its a totally different tune being sung.

Yes, some people need to go visit a hospital in NYC and watch how many people are dying while their loves ones are told they can’t even come in to the room to say goodbye. Maybe that will make these trips to the beach seem a little less important.
 
I am disappointed

The time to sign out of a thread is before discussion degrades into argument.
 
So many gladys kravitz in this thread.

Well, Bewitched was one of my favorite shows growing up.

I’m totally a live and let live person. I really don’t care what my neighbors are doing and I’ve always minded my own business regardless of what I think of their behavior.

I think some of us are struggling with the concept that not being respectful of the stay at home orders here has more effect on everyone else than on you personally.

It’s a similar concept with personal masks. The masks don’t protect you, but they protect everyone else around you. So your not wearing a mask really has no impact on you, but it could have a big impact on everyone around you.

So while I’d like to ignore everyone around me and mind my own business, somehow this time it’s just different.
 
We'll understand the gravity of the situation in 2 weeks when all the volley ball players and handymen/ home maintenance are all dead.
 
Perhaps we can tone down the rhetoric in this thread and keep it friendly.
 
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