When will the restrictions be lifted?

[RAE]

That's very interesting, do you have a reference for these pneumonia data? In a similar vein, there was a situation in mid to late February in our school district in SE Florida where a large number of students came down with something like an annoying stomach bug, and a few days later, many of the parents came down with what they described as "the worst flu of my life" which knocked them out for up to 2-3 weeks. I have been wondering if this wasn't Covid-19 in disguise.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/corona...0200417-lkel6rlik5blhd5zdktkrxhzze-story.html

 

[Gumby]

Yes, the word outrage used to mean something. Now you see it daily on news feeds and it simply means "something I don't like" and the press agrees with me.

I agree that the word outrage has been devalued. You can substitute offense if you like. The main point is that people should just calm down a little and stop being so solipsistic. ("I'm offended and/or outraged". -- Well, maybe you are, but no one cares, or should.)

 

[ejman]

If my neighbor is part of a high risk group, shouldn't he/she be sheltering and avoiding contact with people?

As I'm sure you are aware, people that are not in high risk groups also die from this disease no?

 

[griffithee]

2378 life lessons?!?!?!?!

Life Lesson # 2378 - If you go through life looking for reasons to be offended, you will always find them. I really lament our descent into a culture of constant outrage.


(applies in general, not just to this instance)

WOW!!! That's a lot. Can you share all the others?

I like to stick to the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Or, "Don't hurt people and don't take their stuff!!"

Of course there are the fundamentals of the Submarine Junior Officer (Nords should remember these):
1. Don't sweat another man's good deal.
2. Don't stay up for drills.
3. If they really really want you then they will come and get you.

And the classic rules from Steve Martin in "The Jerk":
1. Lord loves a working man.
2. Don't trust whitey.
3. If you get it, get a shot and get rid of it.

And thus endeth the lesson.

 

[DallasGuy]

Until there's a vaccine, things will not open up completely. Many people like me (retired, 63yo) will simply stay home...except for an occasional trip to the grocery store or quick trip to pick something up at another store. Going out to a restaurant or to an event with lots of people would just be too risky. As much as our leaders would like to think that opening things up before a vaccine is available will bring us back to a normal economy, they are sadly mistaken.

Other people will take chances and start enjoying the new open economy resulting in somewhat of a recovery. But hopefully the numbers don't start going back up again because of this.

 

[Chuckanut]

My home state is still banning elective medical procedures and treatments. The hospitals now have plenty of empty beds as the curve was well flattened and the giant wave of sick CV19 patients that might have hit them was turned into a big swell. The goal was achieved.

Now the hospitals find themselves with plenty of empty beds and not enough patients. Nurses are being laid off. Yet, people who need things like knee replacements, hernia fixes and so on are still having to wait. Dental offices are still closed and the staff unemployed.

One good way to start opening up would be to let the hospitals and dental offices perform non-emergency services with proper cleaning and distancing. But so far the governor (who always has nicely trimmed hair!?!?!) has not done so.

 

[Ready]

My home state is still banning elective medical procedures and treatments. The hospitals now have plenty of empty beds as the curve was well flattened and the giant wave of sick CV19 patients that might have hit them was turned into a big swell. The goal was achieved.

Now the hospitals find themselves with plenty of empty beds and not enough patients. Nurses are being laid off. Yet, people who need things like knee replacements, hernia fixes and so on are still having to wait. Dental offices are still closed and the staff unemployed.

One good way to start opening up would be to let the hospitals and dental offices perform non-emergency services with proper cleaning and distancing. But so far the governor (who always has nicely trimmed hair!?!?!) has not done so.

Are dentists really being restricted from performing their services in your state? Or is it that they recognize that nobody is going to want to come in and have their teeth cleaned right now so they are accepting the situation and shutting down voluntarily?

 

[Teacher Terry]

I had to go to Walmart to get a prescription. I stood 6 ft behind the person in front of me. This young guy with a mask came and stood between us. I let him know I was in line and to get 6 ft behind me. He apologized and did. I am trying not to go out but my husband was having muscle spasms and needed medication. People have a obligation to stay 6 ft away.

 

[gauss]

Until there's a vaccine, things will not open up completely. Many people like me (retired, 63yo) will simply stay home...except for an occasional trip to the grocery store or quick trip to pick something up at another store. Going out to a restaurant or to an event with lots of people would just be too risky. As much as our leaders would like to think that opening things up before a vaccine is available will bring us back to a normal economy, they are sadly mistaken.

Other people will take chances and start enjoying the new open economy resulting in somewhat of a recovery. But hopefully the numbers don't start going back up again because of this.

You don't think you will start to reengage when you see other 63yo's with similar health risk profiles doing this and not getting sick - after 6 months - after 12 months?

What if a new virus emerges 5 years from now?

I guess that I look at living life fully as involving some risk. Granted I am in a fairly low risk profile for C19 (current 55 yo - slightly overweight but no obesity or underling health conditions) and thankful that the disease has not targeted folks with my profile.

BTW - Do you get the influenza vaccine every year?

Respectfully
-gauss

 

[aiken]

As I'm sure you are aware, people that are not in high risk groups also die from this disease no?

Yes, as they do with influenza and pneumonia. However, clearly the data indicates it's skewed towards the elderly and those in poor health, no?

 

[DallasGuy]

You don't think you will start to reengage when you see other 63yo's with similar health risk profiles doing this and not getting sick - after 6 months - after 12 months?

Do you get the influenza vaccine every year?

I guess that I look at living life fully as involving some risk. Granted I am in a fairly low risk profile (current 55 yo - slightly overweight but no obesity or underling health conditions) and thankful that the disease has not targeted folks with my profile.

No, I don't decide my actions based on what other people are doing. I will be staying home as much as I can until there's a vaccine. I normally don't get sick very easily but I do take a maintenance medication for multiple myeloma (a blood cancer) which lowers my immune system a little. That is a factor for me personally. But do I want to risk getting covid 19 and ending up in an ICU just to go out to a restaurant, theater or health club. No. I can wait.

I'm not telling other people what to do and I fully expect that "younger" people will start taking more chances and going out more. Perhaps that will result in more herd immunity. But I don't want to be part of that process.

 

[gauss]

I had to go to Walmart to get a prescription. I stood 6 ft behind the person in front of me. This young guy with a mask came and stood between us. I let him know I was in line and to get 6 ft behind me. He apologized and did. I am trying not to go out but my husband was having muscle spasms and needed medication. People have a obligation to stay 6 ft away.

Of course they do. Glad the encounter was handled well in the end.

Did the Walmart have the 6 foot markings on the floor? That is very common here in Michigan now (but I haven't been inside of an actual Walmart in months).

 

[W2R]

One good way to start opening up would be to let the hospitals and dental offices perform non-emergency services with proper cleaning and distancing. But so far the governor (who always has nicely trimmed hair!?!?!) has not done so.

That's a good idea.

I'd love it if they would also let restaurants re-open, with tables more widely separated and half of the normal number of customers to begin with. We are already eating their food as take-out so the main change would be where we eat it, not what we are eating.

 

[Ready]

That's a good idea.

I'd love it if they would also let restaurants re-open, with tables more widely separated and half of the normal number of customers to begin with. We are already eating their food as take-out so the main change would be where we eat it, not what we are eating.

Are you ready to eat in one of those restaurants?

 

[ejman]

Yes, as they do with influenza and pneumonia. However, clearly the data indicates it's skewed towards the elderly and those in poor health, no?

Correct you are. I was simply pointing out that no one is immune to this nasty virus. I think we have both clearly stated our positions on this so I'll just bow out of further comments. Be well.

 

[Midpack]

Until there's a vaccine, things will not open up completely. Many people like me (retired, 63yo) will simply stay home...except for an occasional trip to the grocery store or quick trip to pick something up at another store. Going out to a restaurant or to an event with lots of people would just be too risky. As much as our leaders would like to think that opening things up before a vaccine is available will bring us back to a normal economy, they are sadly mistaken.

Other people will take chances and start enjoying the new open economy resulting in somewhat of a recovery. But hopefully the numbers don't start going back up again because of this.

You realize we can’t suspend the economy until there’s a vaccine? Most people understand deaths, but many don’t grasp what this will do to the economy - and that will hurt everyone if it goes on too long. There’s no easy answer, we can’t choose health or the economy, it’s a tradeoff with no obvious best option.

 

[Midpack]

That's a good idea.

I'd love it if they would also let restaurants re-open, with tables more widely separated and half of the normal number of customers to begin with. We are already eating their food as take-out so the main change would be where we eat it, not what we are eating.

They’ll have to charge significantly more with half the tables, but that might be better than the current carry out/delivery only for restaurants owners and recalled employees (some will remain laid off with half the tables) as well as customers willing to pay more (some won’t). I hope to go back to restaurants, but they’ll have to verifiably change their cleanliness and contact practices or we’ll be waiting a long while.

 

[DallasGuy]

You realize we can’t suspend the economy until there’s a vaccine? Most people understand deaths, but many don’t grasp what this will do to the economy - and that will hurt everyone if it goes on too long. There’s no easy answer, we can’t choose health or the economy, it’s a tradeoff with no obvious best option.

I'm not telling other people what to do and many people will start going out when the economy opens up. But I'm just guessing that there will be a fair number of people that will, for the most part, stay home until there's a vaccine. I don't think people should be expected to risk getting sick just to help the economy.

 

[W2R]

They’ll have to charge significantly more with half the tables, but that might be better than carry out/delivery only for restaurants owners and recalled employees (some will remain laid off with half the tables) as well as customers willing to pay more (some won’t).

That's what I'm thinking. We are already paying more for delivery/take-out, so Frank and I would be willing to pay more once they re-open, plus I think we would start tipping 50%-100% instead of our usual amount at least until they get back on their feet.

We really hate to imagine what the restaurant owners and wait staff must be going through these days. The wait staff in particular never made much money so I don't suppose they have very big personal emergency funds saved up to live on.

 

[gauss]

No, I don't decide my actions based on what other people are doing. I will be staying home as much as I can until there's a vaccine. I normally don't get sick very easily but I do take a maintenance medication for multiple myeloma (a blood cancer) which lowers my immune system a little. That is a factor for me personally. But do I want to risk getting covid 19 and ending up in an ICU just to go out to a restaurant, theater or health club. No. I can wait.

I'm not telling other people what to do and I fully expect that "younger" people will start taking more chances and going out more. Perhaps that will result in more herd immunity. But I don't want to be part of that process.

Thank you for sharing your personal situation. Your prior comments seem very appropriate given the context.

More generally, however, I suspect that many folks will change their behavior as the fear subsides. I think that is human nature, at least in our culture.

 

[Nemo2]

You realize we can’t suspend the economy until there’s a vaccine? Most people understand deaths, but many don’t grasp what this will do to the economy - and that will hurt everyone if it goes on too long. There’s no easy answer, we can’t choose health or the economy, it’s a tradeoff with no obvious best option.

Some people perhaps find it inconceivable that problems might be temporarily or permanently insoluble...."But, but...I want..."

 

[brewer12345]

You realize we can’t suspend the economy until there’s a vaccine? Most people understand deaths, but many don’t grasp what this will do to the economy - and that will hurt everyone if it goes on too long. There’s no easy answer, we can’t choose health or the economy, it’s a tradeoff with no obvious best option.

I keep reading this and it simply isn't true. We may not be willing to bear the costs or think it is worth going through something like a depression, but we can in fact partially shut the economy until a vaccine is available. Since a reopening will likely result in a second wave, I imagine a continued partial shutdown is exactly what we will do.

 

[Gumby]

There, I corrected it for you.

And you shouldn't have. If you want to criticize other people, do it yourself and face the consequences. Don't put critical words in someone else's mouth.

 

[Tiger8693]

And you shouldn't have. If you want to criticize other people, do it yourself and face the consequences. Don't put critical words in someone else's mouth.

Understood. I interpreted your statement to imply the correction. I guess not. I'll delete.

 

[audreyh1]

As long as states opening up don't have people trying to travel to other states that haven't opened up without self-quarantining for 14 days, it will be interesting to see how this unfolds....