Indicators to get you back to the market?

If all those things, cash, gold, etc are dog meat, why would anybody think stocks would be better? Especially since they pay the owners about half the historical share of the profits they have coming.

i consider being a share-holder as being part-owner of a business ( unlike some directors who seem to think we are annoying muppets on the other end of the phone )

and yes that business will face challenges , as will my income

of course the global economy may yet implode and all businesses will be 100% owner-operated

that of course will crush the big banks as well

i am betting on a recovery eventually , rather than a 'back to the Bronze Age ' society ( but i could be wrong )

and my life expectancy is under 10 years so being correct might not even matter to me

the pre-2008 Ponzi scheme has unraveled , time for a new reality
 
I'm not saying I saw this coming but with the Covid thing stirring things up in the far east I was a bit uneasy and this is how the last part of February played out for me at least.

I made the call on the 22nd of February after reviewing my Portfolio as I do weekly since I am planning on retiring this year. My B/E were both hammered on the close Friday 21st which was strange since VCLT and ZROZ were paving the way so far this year. The market stumbled 1% on that day which was not out of the ordinary. Most on another site I frequent laughed and said I was nuts thinking 1% was nothing. For me there were to many signs all coming together and I had not really reallocated to a more conservative position since I have been swamped at the Mega Corp.

By the time the market had fallen 700 points on the Monday the 24th I was in nearly all cash with about 20% bonds left in the market.

I bought back in ~40% on the 9th of March on a mental health day at Mega Corp and have done a bit of trading up until a few weeks ago and have made out pretty well.
 
One aspect of the S&P that has me concerned is the high PE valuation. To answer the OP's question: a separate entry trigger for me will be a lower PE valuation- to at least the long term market average. I actually expect the PE to drop below historical average.

If PE ratio does get to at least long term average it seems to me most of us investors who significantly reduced stock AA during this virus nightmare will be able to get back in at a reduced price- which will be very profitable for us.

If the market has already seen its big drop and is now in a 'V' recovery I will contentedly sit on the sidelines (my current AA is 6/94 stock/cash).
 
If PE ratio does get to at least long term average it seems to me most of us investors who significantly reduced stock AA during this virus nightmare will be able to get back in at a reduced price- which will be very profitable for us.

I love the idea of a quantifiable measure/statistic. Unfortunately, I don't think any are out there that can be relied upon. Otherwise, how would they have been so out of whack to begin with? All while the market inexplicitly when to new highs over a decade.

I bailed and probably bailed later (3/31) than I should have. Of course, some will say I should have never bailed. So be it. My indicator for getting back in the market is as simple as waiting for some good news. I don't see anyway that will come before mid year. Therefore, I'm deferring any question about getting back in for the time being. I will revisit this monthly. I will definitely be watching the how the market handles 1st Qtr. earnings reports. Then, at some point, which I hope is sooner than later, I will get back in. I didn't get out at the top and I probably won't get back in at the bottom, but I'm completely okay with hanging out right now. Of course, I'm really okay with this because (for no analytical reason), I don't think the worst has yet to come.

I've learned a lot about my risk tolerance and while I was at 60% equities, I will not go that high. I'll be at 40% or less. I'm almost one of those who have won the game and can get out, but I'm not there and inflation is still a risk that I look at stocks to mitigate.

In eight years, mine and DW's SS plus my pension (non-COLA) will pretty much cover our expenses. At that point, I will likely let my equity percentage float up either through market performance or because of my slight withdrawal from the bond/cash portion of the portfolio.
 
I always stay 100% invested. What I learned from 2008 was that corrections happen too quickly for someone to time and also when markets do correct its usually before you feel comfortable. If you try to time things you will be second-guessing yourself while the market is taking off.
 
Those that sold into the bottom:

"If you aren't back in, you've already missed about 27% ride up"

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How do you know that was the bottom? What if it’s not “ride up” but volatility? If someone did know that that was the bottom, then why wouldn’t they have then known to sell before the bottom?

Dr. Fauci: You don’t make the timeline, the virus makes the timeline.
He was referring to restrictions, but that is really relevant to the OP questions.
 
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Dr. Fauci: You don’t make the timeline, the virus makes the timeline.
He was referring to restrictions, but that is really relevant to the OP questions.

Certainly today getting good news about the virus would be great and I'm sure the market will react, but the news we'll need is how much damage has been done and when will that reverse. That will come later IMO.
 
I always stay 100% invested. What I learned from 2008 was that corrections happen too quickly for someone to time and also when markets do correct its usually before you feel comfortable. If you try to time things you will be second-guessing yourself while the market is taking off.


Your perceptions/feelings.
 
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How do you know that was the bottom? What if it’s not “ride up” but volatility? If someone did know that that was the bottom, then why wouldn’t they have then known to sell before the bottom?

Dr. Fauci: You don’t make the timeline, the virus makes the timeline.
He was referring to restrictions, but that is really relevant to the OP questions.

No one knows the bottom but my indicator was -20% to start buying small then increase to bigger amount at -25% then -30%..etc.

Buy and hold and buy more when blood on the streets have worked well for me the last 25 years of investing and still up 350%+ since 1995.
 
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No one knows the bottom but my indicator was -20% to start buying small then increase to bigger amount at -25% then -30%..etc.
[thumb’s up emoticon]

Certainly today getting good news about the virus would be great and I'm sure the market will react, but the news we'll need is how much damage has been done and when will that reverse. That will come later IMO.
Was referring also to SARS CoV2 specifics. One example- if we have a strong understanding of R0 for different areas/cities/regions, then we can extrapolate that out and imagine how reopening will unfold.
 
Just a question here. I have been reading that some are waiting until Q2 earnings reports are out as a decision point to buy back into the market. Are the Q2 earnings going to be a predictor of what will happen in the next several quarters or next several years? I believe the general consensus is that Q2 numbers, for some businesses, are going to be horrendous....it may be so bad, that some, or even quite a few won't survive. Then again, some businesses will have benefited from the pandemic and will continue to do well. The challenge for the stock picker is finding the right ones to own. For those of us that don't feel comfortable doing that, we can buy the whole market.

If the intrinsic value of a stock or stock market is largely based on it's discounted stream of future cash flows, it's hard to imagine that one quarter of earnings will be a predictor of that value. Let's forget the next quarter for a second and say the earnings for the S&P 500 are nil for some or most of the next year and recover to pre-pandemic levels after that. This thesis might suggest that stocks are not too far off from fair value.

What we haven't been talking about much in light of the current situation is the next shoe that may drop....the next unforeseen rare event.
There are always going to be big risks in owning stocks, the hope is that we will be be compensated adequately over the long run for doing so. I guess what I'm trying to say is risk management and understanding ones own risk tolerance will always be important.....regardless of a single decision to get back in or not.
 
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Those that sold into the bottom:

"If you aren't back in, you've already missed about 27% ride up"
OK, if you are going to measure from the very bottom. :) I doubt that many who got out would get back right at the bottom and used a conservative estimate just for illustrative purposes :) But you realize that I'm sure.
 
To answer the OPs question, some investors track 50 and 200 day moving averages. If it goes above the 200 day by a few percent they buy back in, perhaps slowly, and the same with selling when it goes below. As for myself, I won't let my equity holdings ever drop below 20% as I am a lousy market timer. Sometimes having an allocation that allows you to sleep at night regardless of what happens in the world is comforting, but not always the recipe for best total return.
 
When to get back into the stock market?

however those inclined to write a diary

Ok – I’ll bite. Not because of any oracle forecasting ability, but because thinking about and expressing my opinion with basis provided helps solicits feedback on information that may be misinterpreted or unknown on my part. For example, I had not even deeply thought about my own risk tolerance until reading this forum (before retiring); how it changes over life and the different strategies. We don’t gain anything from a snarky two line retort. The well expressed differing perspective is priceless.

Reentry point is controversial because we all have different perspectives depending on risk tolerance (age / necessary with drawl rate from portfolio / personal preference and beliefs). DW and I just retired, and previously had implemented a rising equity glide path portfolio to navigate Sequence of Returns Risk by minimizing both downside and upside potential. And wouldn’t you know it – a black Covid-19 swan six months after retirement. Lucky Duck. My reentry point is not required and if implemented does not have a clear metric – Bankruptcies. (I can stand pat and just be fine – but this event, however dreadful, can be an opportunity.)

IMHO the big USA indices are too expensive now based on current PE values and about to get worse this week. The ‘big three’ stock indices are Dow Jones Industrials, NASDAQ and S&P500. Today, only down about 13% from their February 2020 high. However, the underlying Price/Earnings ratios have increased about 20% in the past few weeks even though stock prices are down overall. Major USA stock indices are more expensive relative to earnings now than even at their all time high in February! This week, about 1/3 of the earnings reports will be issued in USA for the first quarter – analysts have been flying blind using last available numbers since the majors pulled their annual earnings forecasts. This week’s earning report is very likely to drive PE up even higher. There was roughly $30 trillion in market capitalization for the USA in January. Take off 15% so far and it approximates the trillions of dollars being injected (inefficiently) into the economy by the Treasury and the Fed. Helicopter money combined with the demand collapse, a 20% increase for M2 supply and a productivity hit mostly explains why inflation is not an issue. Because the needed liquidity injection is not perfect – bankruptcies will occur later.

The supporting effect on the big 3 stock price indexes via automatic buying will vary going forward. Major companies are stopping stock buybacks, states/municipalities conserve cash by stopping/cutting pension fund contributions, and individual 401ks will start to fade with furloughs and cutback on company match funds, the ballast effect of rebalancing pension and life cycle funds will continue, the buy on the dip folks have less capital now to buy on the next dip, Treasury and Fed continue focus on the companies with stock in the big three USA indexes. The publicly traded Foreign, Mid-size and Small size stocks don’t get as much of these supporting functions outlined above. By comparison, these three indices are down roughly 20%, 25%, and 30% respectively – compared to the 13% down for the big boys having the automatic backstops. Still, the big boys have taken on a lot of debt that has to be paid back eventually or else face bankruptcy – this alone will weigh down earnings for years even if the loan interest rate is low.

Once the states reopen - Business bankruptcies will be predicated on consumer behaviors and will lead the way to the bottom. Bankruptcies are starting to show up with large department store chains and smaller energy producers. Small businesses are stressed to the max with failure of the PPP and had thin margins to begin with. Airlines and Cruise ship operators are swimming in a sea of red ink and although they have been supported by the Fed and Treasury – some are going to fail because their business models are built on selling every seat and room on every flight and cruise all the time. Similar business model for the hotel and restaurant chains to operate at around 70-80% capacity will cull the weak. Oil producers are already in the hurt locker. The vendors / suppliers for these industries will suffer. Before corporations wipe out shareholders in a bankruptcy filing, they do everything possible to soak up the last bit of credit – then negotiate for better loan terms. The bankruptcy process is not transparent to the markets and bankruptcies take months to pulse through the individual state legal and corporate systems – finally landing on the balance sheets of bond holders and financial institutions if a restructured business cannot reopen. (Cue music for the Fed to enter and save the banks again.) Personal bankruptcies are even less transparent – but impact credit markets in our consumer driven society. How long did it take for the ‘rational markets’ to reach bottom last financial crisis once the bankruptcies were building? June 2007 (Bear Stearns and Countrywide say ‘uh, we have problems’) to March 2009 (Green Shoots) – around a 45% discount in the S&P 500 index.

How many bankruptcies really depend on the following impact on consumer behavior:
- Will a vaccine make a difference in consumer behavior? Probably yes. However, it is likely to not be widely available for at least a year. In the meantime – the scars of bankruptcies and unemployment grow each day.
- Will herd immunity save consumer behavior? Potentially yes. However, there are some discouraging reports about reinfection that make me question the tail event like an HIV infection. In the meantime – the scars of bankruptcies and unemployment grow each day.
- Will a therapy be developed to lessen the effects of the virus? That may only be weeks away in announcement, but much longer time for scale up. A therapy treatment may be our best near term hope for the economy.


The International Monetary Fund (I am not a fan) posted four scenarios in their April report. States a lot of the obvious and that this economic downturn is worse than the 2008 financial crisis. https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/...weo-april-2020


There are a couple of ballpark scenarios for USA/world recovery in the report.


1) Baseline (Likely what the stock market prices are currently based on) - everyone plays nice together (but apart) and coherent public health policies around the globe result in the virus going away in the 2nd half 2020, but with USA GDP down about 6 points overall for the year. Strong recovery in 2021 - not yet matching 2019 GDP.
2) Outbreak continues into 2nd half of 2020. Subtract 2-3 additional points growth GDP from baseline. More permanent 'scarring' (bankruptcies) destroys capital.
3) Outbreak recurs in 2021. Subtract about 4 - 5 more points growth because there are even more bankruptcies.
4) Outbreak continues in 2nd half of 2020 AND recurs in 2021. Subtract 7-8 points growth from baseline.

(Of course, there could always be some other shock coming on top of what we are dealing with now. Like an unstable North Korea or Iran.)

For the baseline, there is some hand waving about supervisors telling banks to give debtors and mortgage holders a holiday by just sucking it up, and that emerging nations are less affected because their economies are not service oriented like the G7. I disagree with the likelihood of the first, but see the logic of the second premise. Some emerging countries are also not well capitalized and carry smaller loans; caveat being that the loans are usually based in dollars.

Final thoughts

If you are young worker with solid employment saving for more than 10 years out – stay the course and continue buying index funds on a regular basis to Dollar Cost Average in.

Older retiree? – consider stay the course on the AA that let you sleep at night before the crisis and keep a sensible portfolio with drawl.

For the near and new retirees things are complicated. Do you stay the course or wager a little bit of the portfolio because you are down for the YTD? I would be just fine to stick to a rising equity portfolio – but I will probably DCA in at some point and accelerate to a 65/35 split once bankruptcy announcements and layoffs slow down. I think we will at least see a second wave of infections and that scenario is not yet baked into the big three markets. Just look at what is happening now in Singapore, and even China.

But what the hell do I know.
 
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The one thing that no one can argue with is the best approach is always clearer when looking in the rear view mirror:LOL:
 
... So, why buy-and-hold?
Actually, there's an easy answer to that. We have 100+ years of history that shows us that over long (5+ or 10+)periods the market shows a steady rise. Time filters out the noise, just as it will filter out the current noise. Depending on what time period you pick, B&H usually nets 5-10% annually, far in excess of what bonds yield. Charts like this one tell the story (note that the left/y axis is logarithmic):

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If all those things, cash, gold, etc are dog meat, why would anybody think stocks would be better?
Because stocks are fundamentally different. Cash, gold, etc. are basically stores of value. At best (gold) over long term the store of value keeps up with inflation. There's a century of data to back up that assessment. Granted, in the short term gold is volatile enough to attract speculation but in the long term the speculation is a zero sum game except for inflation.

When I own a stock there are people and assets working to make money for me. Every day, every month, every year. Sometimes that plan doesn't work out, which is why we diversify our holdings, but over the long term it is why there is a predictable rise in the value of the stocks and hence, the market. See question #1 above.
Especially since they pay the owners about half the historical share of the profits they have coming.
Well, we don't need to rehash the dividends vs total return thing here, but I want my companies to retain and invest profits. Profits are what drive the growth of the business. If a company has nothing better to do than give the profits back to me that is a company that doesn't want to grow or cannot figure out how to do it. Buffet is an example; he is sitting on a huge pile of cash waiting for a good investment. Microsoft is more of a puzzle; it's been sitting on cash for quite a while with no obvious purpose. So maybe a company like that is one where you would want to complain about profits not being distributed.

From another angle, retained earnings increase the value of the companies you own. So you are getting those earnings via the stock's value. This is sometimes hard to see given the noisy nature of stock prices short term, but it is really simple arithmetic.
 
Ok – I’ll bite. Not because of any oracle forecasting ability, but because thinking about and expressing my opinion with basis provided helps solicits feedback on information that may be misinterpreted or unknown on my part. For example, I had not even deeply thought about my own risk tolerance until reading this forum (before retiring); how it changes over life and the different strategies. We don’t gain anything from a snarky two line retort. The well expressed differing perspective is priceless.

Reentry point is controversial because we all have different perspectives depending on risk tolerance (age / necessary with drawl rate from portfolio / personal preference and beliefs). DW and I just retired, and previously had implemented a rising equity glide path portfolio to navigate Sequence of Returns Risk by minimizing both downside and upside potential. And wouldn’t you know it – a black Covid-19 swan six months after retirement. Lucky Duck. My reentry point is not required and if implemented does not have a clear metric – Bankruptcies. (I can stand pat and just be fine – but this event, however dreadful, can be an opportunity.)

IMHO the big USA indices are too expensive now based on current PE values and about to get worse this week. The ‘big three’ stock indices are Dow Jones Industrials, NASDAQ and S&P500. Today, only down about 13% from their February 2020 high. However, the underlying Price/Earnings ratios have increased about 20% in the past few weeks even though stock prices are down overall. Major USA stock indices are more expensive relative to earnings now than even at their all time high in February! This week, about 1/3 of the earnings reports will be issued in USA for the first quarter – analysts have been flying blind using last available numbers since the majors pulled their annual earnings forecasts. This week’s earning report is very likely to drive PE up even higher. There was roughly $30 trillion in market capitalization for the USA in January. Take off 15% so far and it approximates the trillions of dollars being injected (inefficiently) into the economy by the Treasury and the Fed. Helicopter money combined with the demand collapse, a 20% increase for M2 supply and a productivity hit mostly explains why inflation is not an issue. Because the needed liquidity injection is not perfect – bankruptcies will occur later.

The supporting effect on the big 3 stock price indexes via automatic buying will vary going forward. Major companies are stopping stock buybacks, states/municipalities conserve cash by stopping/cutting pension fund contributions, and individual 401ks will start to fade with furloughs and cutback on company match funds, the ballast effect of rebalancing pension and life cycle funds will continue, the buy on the dip folks have less capital now to buy on the next dip, Treasury and Fed continue focus on the companies with stock in the big three USA indexes. The publicly traded Foreign, Mid-size and Small size stocks don’t get as much of these supporting functions outlined above. By comparison, these three indices are down roughly 20%, 25%, and 30% respectively – compared to the 13% down for the big boys having the automatic backstops. Still, the big boys have taken on a lot of debt that has to be paid back eventually or else face bankruptcy – this alone will weigh down earnings for years even if the loan interest rate is low.

Once the states reopen - Business bankruptcies will be predicated on consumer behaviors and will lead the way to the bottom. Bankruptcies are starting to show up with large department store chains and smaller energy producers. Small businesses are stressed to the max with failure of the PPP and had thin margins to begin with. Airlines and Cruise ship operators are swimming in a sea of red ink and although they have been supported by the Fed and Treasury – some are going to fail because their business models are built on selling every seat and room on every flight and cruise all the time. Similar business model for the hotel and restaurant chains to operate at around 70-80% capacity will cull the weak. Oil producers are already in the hurt locker. The vendors / suppliers for these industries will suffer. Before corporations wipe out shareholders in a bankruptcy filing, they do everything possible to soak up the last bit of credit – then negotiate for better loan terms. The bankruptcy process is not transparent to the markets and bankruptcies take months to pulse through the individual state legal and corporate systems – finally landing on the balance sheets of bond holders and financial institutions if a restructured business cannot reopen. (Cue music for the Fed to enter and save the banks again.) Personal bankruptcies are even less transparent – but impact credit markets in our consumer driven society. How long did it take for the ‘rational markets’ to reach bottom last financial crisis once the bankruptcies were building? June 2007 (Bear Stearns and Countrywide say ‘uh, we have problems’) to March 2009 (Green Shoots) – around a 45% discount in the S&P 500 index.

How many bankruptcies really depend on the following impact on consumer behavior:
- Will a vaccine make a difference in consumer behavior? Probably yes. However, it is likely to not be widely available for at least a year. In the meantime – the scars of bankruptcies and unemployment grow each day.
- Will herd immunity save consumer behavior? Potentially yes. However, there are some discouraging reports about reinfection that make me question the tail event like an HIV infection. In the meantime – the scars of bankruptcies and unemployment grow each day.
- Will a therapy be developed to lessen the effects of the virus? That may only be weeks away in announcement, but much longer time for scale up. A therapy treatment may be our best near term hope for the economy.


The International Monetary Fund (I am not a fan) posted four scenarios in their April report. States a lot of the obvious and that this economic downturn is worse than the 2008 financial crisis. https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/...weo-april-2020


There are a couple of ballpark scenarios for USA/world recovery in the report.


1) Baseline (Likely what the stock market prices are currently based on) - everyone plays nice together (but apart) and coherent public health policies around the globe result in the virus going away in the 2nd half 2020, but with USA GDP down about 6 points overall for the year. Strong recovery in 2021 - not yet matching 2019 GDP.
2) Outbreak continues into 2nd half of 2020. Subtract 2-3 additional points growth GDP from baseline. More permanent 'scarring' (bankruptcies) destroys capital.
3) Outbreak recurs in 2021. Subtract about 4 - 5 more points growth because there are even more bankruptcies.
4) Outbreak continues in 2nd half of 2020 AND recurs in 2021. Subtract 7-8 points growth from baseline.

(Of course, there could always be some other shock coming on top of what we are dealing with now. Like an unstable North Korea or Iran.)

For the baseline, there is some hand waving about supervisors telling banks to give debtors and mortgage holders a holiday by just sucking it up, and that emerging nations are less affected because their economies are not service oriented like the G7. I disagree with the likelihood of the first, but see the logic of the second premise. Some emerging countries are also not well capitalized and carry smaller loans; caveat being that the loans are usually based in dollars.

Final thoughts

If you are young worker with solid employment saving for more than 10 years out – stay the course and continue buying index funds on a regular basis to Dollar Cost Average in.

Older retiree? – consider stay the course on the AA that let you sleep at night before the crisis and keep a sensible portfolio with drawl.

For the near and new retirees things are complicated. Do you stay the course or wager a little bit of the portfolio because you are down for the YTD? I would be just fine to stick to a rising equity portfolio – but I will probably DCA in at some point and accelerate to a 65/35 split once bankruptcy announcements and layoffs slow down. I think we will at least see a second wave of infections and that scenario is not yet baked into the big three markets. Just look at what is happening now in Singapore, and even China.

But what the hell do I know.

Nice post.
I keep coming back to the same thought that in this election year with a huge emphasis being place on keeping up the stock market values, will the Fed liquidity injections offset all of the bad news, or if the markets get close to an all time high, then the main street vs. Wall St. argument will then cause the Fed to start backing off and cause the next leg down swiftly.
 
I was aggressively buying individual bonds and trading preferred stocks during the plunge in March 2019. I started the year with 20% cash and 80% individual corporate bonds and CDs. By the 3rd week of March, my portfolio was 1% cash and 99% corporate bonds. I looked at the ramifications of an 18-24 month slowdown of the economy that was already highly leveraged (consumer, corporate, and government debt) and decided to liquidate corporate bonds exposed to the financial sectors and just hold corporate bonds/notes in technology, telecom, biotech, and pharma companies with good cash flow and interest rate coverage. Right now I am 41% cash and 59% corporate bonds and CDs. My holdings in financial companies were trading well above par in April so I decided to take the gains now and wait for the next sell-off. With unemployment rising, many people will stop paying their rent, mortgage payments, and credit cards. Bonds of quality companies have become expensive again relative to the risk of holding them. Corporate bond ratings in this market mean absolutely nothing and are lagging indicators. Credit default swaps (the cost of insuring a bond from default) are a better indicator of risk. The bond market is signalling historical levels of default in industrial, retail, oil and gas, and commercial real estate. The equity markets are becoming even more distorted. The market capitalization of Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook, and Amazon is higher than the bottom 350 stocks currently in the S&P 500. How long can that bubble continue?

I have plenty of cash to take advantage of the next plunge in the fixed income market and it's a matter of time before equity and bonds funds sell off again.
 
Freedom 56, that was very interesting. I agree on corporate bonds, so I hold a little as a yield enhancer but I am staying short and high quality.

While I hope and expect an equity downdraft, I would most love to see a crash in the junk market. Making big money is much easier in that environment.
 
Freedom 56, that was very interesting. I agree on corporate bonds, so I hold a little as a yield enhancer but I am staying short and high quality.

While I hope and expect an equity downdraft, I would most love to see a crash in the junk market. Making big money is much easier in that environment.

Not all junk bonds are created equal. Netflix is rated BB- but has great cash flow and Boeing is rated A-/BBB+. Boeing has a higher probability of default than Netflix. I can make the same claim with respect to GE. The yield on Netflix notes are much lower than many investment grade rated bonds/notes of energy, retail, and industrial stocks. So the market is compensating for risk. We will likely see many defaults in investment grade notes/bonds moving forward. Like in 2008/2009, the rating agencies are well behind the curve.
 
Freedom 56, that was very interesting. I agree on corporate bonds, so I hold a little as a yield enhancer but I am staying short and high quality.

While I hope and expect an equity downdraft, I would most love to see a crash in the junk market. Making big money is much easier in that environment.

Brewer - can you share your strategy on junk market crash? (Truth be told I don't even own a broad bond fund at the moment, just Treasuries)
 
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