Poll: Would you get vaccinated in 2021 for travel?

[ShokWaveRider]

We will wait till mid 2021 (Assuming one is available earlier) and see what the outcome is. If that fails we will get ours in Canada when it is available.

 

[MarieIG]

Yes; but not the Sputnik V - need to visit loved ones.

 

[retire-early]

+1. exactly. If high risk folks do well, why wouldn't the rest of us? And like rushed isn't a great thing. Letting more people die is a better thing?

Yes, rushed isn't a great thing when safety is ignored.

Speaking for myself I am just as fearful of dying from a not-fully vetted vaccine as of dying from Covid-19.

 

[gerntz]

Yes, rushed isn't a great thing when safety is ignored.

Speaking for myself I am just as fearful of dying from a not-fully vetted vaccine as of dying from Covid-19.

what safety is ignored? thnx. stage 3 trials being preformed. what's missing?

 

[retire-early]

what safety is ignored? thnx. stage 3 trials being preformed. what's missing?

If the trials FULLY complete and the data is validated by the scientists and not the politicians with none of the EUA nonsense.

Anything under EUA = no go for me. Thank you very much.

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[Chuckanut]

Alas, politics has raised its ugly head in the vaccine discussion, so getting to the truth is harder than ever. The news media is just about useless so find one or two good blogs and get your information there.

A period of watchful waiting may be the best thing to do for those who are taking precautions against corona virus and will continue to do so. OTOH, If you really want to attend cousin Jane's 200+ person wedding bash in April, then taking a chance on an approved vaccine may give you better odds of staying healthy.

 

[audreyh1]

Here is a recent discussion of the various vaccines supported by the US govt so far:
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/qa-on-coronavirus-vaccines/

 

[pacergal]

I plan to get vaccinated no matter what, travel or no travel

 

[rk911]

If the trials FULLY complete and the data is validated by the scientists and not the politicians with none of the EUA nonsense.

Anything under EUA = no go for me. Thank you very much.

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EUA?

 

[Calico]

EUA?

Emergency Use Authorization (by FDA)

 

[rk911]

Emergency Use Authorization (by FDA)

thanks. i was thinking "end user agreement" but that didn't make any sense.

 

[Badger]

I waited and prepared financially to be able to travel once I retired. It is one of the few things left that I can and want to do as time is getting late. However, that may be limited too. I don't plan on being in the first wave of those who get a vaccine just like I wouldn't buy the first model year of a car. I will wait until I see results of efficacy and lack of serious side effects on a fully vetted treatment. I just hope it isn't too late in coming before the bucket is kicked. If an effective vetted dtreatment does become available then I will start spending like a drunken sailor.


Cheers!

 

[JustKickItForward]

Voted NO, because I am not DYING to travel internationally. Plenty of places to go domestically !

 

[JustKickItForward]

I waited and prepared financially to be able to travel once I retired. It is one of the few things left that I can and want to do as time is getting late. However, that may be limited too. I don't plan on being in the first wave of those who get a vaccine just like I wouldn't buy the first model year of a car. I will wait until I see results of efficacy and lack of serious side effects on a fully vetted treatment. I just hope it isn't too late in coming before the bucket is kicked. If an effective vetted dtreatment does become available then I will start spending like a drunken sailor.


Cheers!

IMO, you can travel, just be smart about it. Choose where you go an what you do. There are enough information out there on how to travel safe. Yes, it could be a pain in the rear to have these additional 'rules' to follow, but hey it is all about your perspective and determination. Granted, maybe there are places where you really want to stay away from (like fully packed rallies)...but these leave you plenty of travel options.

Just as a personal example, I just went on a solo five day trip, first since March, not just to getaway, but to see how things are out there in the real world before I bring the family on our next trip in November.

I did a full cleaning of my 400+ sq ft deluxe unit - kitchen, bathroom, living space prior to settling in. Took all of only one hour at a slow pace. Bought my own cleaning material. During the week, I practiced social distancing, when near others. Since most (not all) people wore masks, it was very very helpful. I did a few takeouts, went grocery shopping, did many walks ... no problems.

Now I have some experience to confidently do a trip with my kid for a week in a couple of weeks. He will help with the initial pre-check-in cleaning - cannot/won't do this myself since we will be staying in a 2BD condo. In Nov, we will add the wife, and she will join in on the pre-check0in cleaning party . By the time next summer comes, we will be pros at this.

 

[Global Wizzo]

Vaccine

A discussion this week with a doctor yielded this. He thinks the proposed first vaccine will be the two shot one and have about a 50% protection and a very limited protection measured in months.

[MOD EDIT] We are used to being somewhere either domesticity or internationally.

Most countries have a very low trust of the US right now. Vaccine or not it may be another year or more before travel becomes easy.

 

[Montecfo]

Any vaccine will be properly approved and vetted. If you just think about that it is obviously true.

I would take the vaccine to reduce risk. Until we get to some sort of herd immunity I would continue the same level of precautions.

But I would like to travel to the islands and not worry as much about getting sick and stuck there.

 

[Maidensong]

I don't know why a vaccine for this particular virus would only last a few months. It's not like the flu. This novel Corona virus has changed very little since it has been identified, so it's not a moving target. Measles, mumps, chickenpox, polio--all are caused by similarly stable viruses and the inoculations we give our children protect them for their whole lives.

I've already had my flu shot for this year. If the vaccination for Covid-19 was available, I'd be rolling up my sleeve today. The science of how vaccines work, even the newer mRna technology, is well established. With as many possible vaccines in stage 3 trials already, I feel confident a viable, effective, safe vaccine will be available soon.

Just to put this into perspective, I am at high risk. I have a chronic lung condition that requires me to use supplemental O2 during exertion. It's also a progressive condition. I don't want this virus to steal any more of my time. I'm more scared of not living than I am of dying.

We are booked for a World Cruise on the Viking Star in 2022. I fully expect to have to show proof of vaccination to be allowed to disembark in many places. It's only sensible.

Some countries may have a low trust of the US, as Global Wizzo says, but they all need us back on our feet. As our economy goes, so goes the world. Tourism is the lifeblood of many places. We expect to be welcomed. We certainly were after the 2008 crash. Everywhere we went, they were thrilled to see the Americans coming back.

Stay safe everyone, and get your flu shot. It's good practice for when the vaccine for Covid-19 is ready and available.

 

[Bamaman]

I am impressed that the different pharma's are already manufacturing their vaccines, and that the logistics to deliver the vaccines overnight are already in place.

It's going to be a race to who's the first manufacturer to get their vaccine approved. And the winner(s) of the contest is going to be really, really profitable beyond their imagination.

 

[2017ish]

Yes, no doubts whatsoever. Will be nice to plan in advance for international travel. (Our present trip was booked only 2 days in advance because Honduras requires negative test within 72 hours of arrival.)

Plus, trying to do multiple months travel among several countries will likely remain prohibitively difficult otherwise.

 

[Rambler]

Definitely. For travel, yes of course. For daily living? Absolutely. I even signed up for the trial, but haven’t been inducted yet.

 

[Sunset]

IMO, you can travel, just be smart about it. ....
Just as a personal example, I just went on a solo five day trip, first since March, not just to getaway, but to see how things are out there in the real world before I bring the family on our next trip in November.

I did a full cleaning of my 400+ sq ft deluxe unit - kitchen, bathroom, living space prior to settling in. Took all of only one hour at a slow pace. Bought my own cleaning material. During the week, I practiced social distancing, when near others. Since most (not all) people wore masks, it was very very helpful. I did a few takeouts, went grocery shopping, did many walks ... no problems.

Now I have some experience to confidently do a trip with my kid for a week in a couple of weeks. He will help with the initial pre-check-in cleaning - cannot/won't do this myself since we will be staying in a 2BD condo. In Nov, we will add the wife, and she will join in on the pre-check0in cleaning party . By the time next summer comes, we will be pros at this.

Come stay at my place, it needs a cleaning

 

[Old Microbiologist]

The huge question as far as travel is concerned is which vaccines will be acceptable in what countries. I live in Hungary and we will be receiving the Russian vaccine as early as January and it will be produced here. Hungary has a large pharmaceutical industry and this will be relatively easy to get into production. The US due to its centuries old hatred of Russia and the more recent Cold War II will probably never accept the Russian vaccine. I will take it at the earliest opportunity so I don't get the Coronavirus. If it also helps me in travelling so much the better. I will add that I am a vaccinologist by profession (my PhD is in Immunology) and I have a great deal of experience with vaccines and in particular vaccines produced by the Soviet Union which we examined for efficacy through the Biological Defense Research Program of DoD with projects in the FSU Republics. Some were crappy but still better than none at all which is the state of affairs in the US for orphan diseases. Some are excellent and I have worked with collaborators at the Gamaleya Institute and I have no reason to be suspicious of their results. I also had several on my staff. It will be cheap in comparison to US vaccines and provided free to most countries which is probably why the US is so adamantly against it.
The Chinese vaccines are also interesting so it will be interesting to see how it all falls out in the end.

 

[bmcgonig]

Given that these vaccines, at least in the beginning, won't be sterilizing, I would imagine that what vaccine you got won't be a factor to enter a country. I think they'll stick with what they're doing now, ie neg testing and where you're coming from.

The huge question as far as travel is concerned is which vaccines will be acceptable in what countries. I live in Hungary and we will be receiving the Russian vaccine as early as January and it will be produced here. Hungary has a large pharmaceutical industry and this will be relatively easy to get into production. The US due to its centuries old hatred of Russia and the more recent Cold War II will probably never accept the Russian vaccine. I will take it at the earliest opportunity so I don't get the Coronavirus. If it also helps me in travelling so much the better. I will add that I am a vaccinologist by profession (my PhD is in Immunology) and I have a great deal of experience with vaccines and in particular vaccines produced by the Soviet Union which we examined for efficacy through the Biological Defense Research Program of DoD with projects in the FSU Republics. Some were crappy but still better than none at all which is the state of affairs in the US for orphan diseases. Some are excellent and I have worked with collaborators at the Gamaleya Institute and I have no reason to be suspicious of their results. I also had several on my staff. It will be cheap in comparison to US vaccines and provided free to most countries which is probably why the US is so adamantly against it.
The Chinese vaccines are also interesting so it will be interesting to see how it all falls out in the end.

 

[SpinDoctorTX]

I’d get it even if not traveling, as long as a bunch of other people get it first. Which is how it will happen anyway.

Exactly!

 

[explanade]

Sputnik 5 uses 2 different adeno virus vectors for the two shots.

Oxford/Astra Zenica is using an adeno virus vector. UK halted trials of this vaccine when one person came down with what was suspected of being transverse mylitis. She felt weakness in the legs and had to be hospitalized though she recovered.

They've resumed the trial in the UK.

But there was a lack of transparency. AZ only divulged that it could be transverse mylitis, a serious condition with potential for paralysis, to investors and not to the public at large.

They did not explain how the case resolved but resumed trials anyways.

If there's another case of someone experiencing transverse mylitis or other neurological issues, this candidate is finished as a viable option.

The US trials haven't resumed yet.