ShokWaveRider
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We will wait till mid 2021 (Assuming one is available earlier) and see what the outcome is. If that fails we will get ours in Canada when it is available.
+1. exactly. If high risk folks do well, why wouldn't the rest of us? And like rushed isn't a great thing. Letting more people die is a better thing?
Yes, rushed isn't a great thing when safety is ignored.
Speaking for myself I am just as fearful of dying from a not-fully vetted vaccine as of dying from Covid-19.
what safety is ignored? thnx. stage 3 trials being preformed. what's missing?
If the trials FULLY complete and the data is validated by the scientists and not the politicians with none of the EUA nonsense.
Anything under EUA = no go for me. Thank you very much.
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EUA?
Emergency Use Authorization (by FDA)
IMO, you can travel, just be smart about it. Choose where you go an what you do. There are enough information out there on how to travel safe. Yes, it could be a pain in the rear to have these additional 'rules' to follow, but hey it is all about your perspective and determination. Granted, maybe there are places where you really want to stay away from (like fully packed rallies)...but these leave you plenty of travel options.I waited and prepared financially to be able to travel once I retired. It is one of the few things left that I can and want to do as time is getting late. However, that may be limited too. I don't plan on being in the first wave of those who get a vaccine just like I wouldn't buy the first model year of a car. I will wait until I see results of efficacy and lack of serious side effects on a fully vetted treatment. I just hope it isn't too late in coming before the bucket is kicked. If an effective vetted dtreatment does become available then I will start spending like a drunken sailor.
Cheers!
IMO, you can travel, just be smart about it. ....
Just as a personal example, I just went on a solo five day trip, first since March, not just to getaway, but to see how things are out there in the real world before I bring the family on our next trip in November.
I did a full cleaning of my 400+ sq ft deluxe unit - kitchen, bathroom, living space prior to settling in. Took all of only one hour at a slow pace. Bought my own cleaning material. During the week, I practiced social distancing, when near others. Since most (not all) people wore masks, it was very very helpful. I did a few takeouts, went grocery shopping, did many walks ... no problems.
Now I have some experience to confidently do a trip with my kid for a week in a couple of weeks. He will help with the initial pre-check-in cleaning - cannot/won't do this myself since we will be staying in a 2BD condo. In Nov, we will add the wife, and she will join in on the pre-check0in cleaning party . By the time next summer comes, we will be pros at this.
The huge question as far as travel is concerned is which vaccines will be acceptable in what countries. I live in Hungary and we will be receiving the Russian vaccine as early as January and it will be produced here. Hungary has a large pharmaceutical industry and this will be relatively easy to get into production. The US due to its centuries old hatred of Russia and the more recent Cold War II will probably never accept the Russian vaccine. I will take it at the earliest opportunity so I don't get the Coronavirus. If it also helps me in travelling so much the better. I will add that I am a vaccinologist by profession (my PhD is in Immunology) and I have a great deal of experience with vaccines and in particular vaccines produced by the Soviet Union which we examined for efficacy through the Biological Defense Research Program of DoD with projects in the FSU Republics. Some were crappy but still better than none at all which is the state of affairs in the US for orphan diseases. Some are excellent and I have worked with collaborators at the Gamaleya Institute and I have no reason to be suspicious of their results. I also had several on my staff. It will be cheap in comparison to US vaccines and provided free to most countries which is probably why the US is so adamantly against it.
The Chinese vaccines are also interesting so it will be interesting to see how it all falls out in the end.
I’d get it even if not traveling, as long as a bunch of other people get it first. Which is how it will happen anyway.