What is your favorite growth stock?

MSFT. I own it and invested in it at (considering stock splits) $4 a share in the 1990s. I have sold some of it to recoup my initial investment, to help with college expenses and to "celebrate", but still own the great majority of shares I started with. Average annual growth rate of over 17% for that stock has, as Chico Escuela would say, been berry, berry good to me. :)
 
... You're not competing against anyone. ...
Sure you are. Trading is a zero-sum game. In each trade there is one optimist buying and one pessimist selling. One winner and one loser. Odds are (80+%; I have seen 95% argued.) that if there is an amateur on one side of the trade there is a professional on the other side. @foxfirev5's speculation that he knows nothing that his counterparty doesn't know is probably correct for 99+% of amateurs, and the ones who do know more are probably trading on inside information.

Time eventually reveals which is the winner and which is the loser.

... Pick a company with a disruptive product. Something new and patented.

Examine the balance sheets and income statements of these companies.

Look for a strong balance sheet with a strong current ratio and little or no debt.

Look for companies with good profit margins, including good margins relative to their peers.

Choose companies with a track record of meeting or beating earnings estimates. Ideally, you want companies that actually HAVE earnings, but a strong trend upwards, and imminent positive earnings is acceptable. (We are looking for growth stocks, after all.)

Choose companies whose revenues are growing and whose earnings are growing. ...
No one has ever though of this before? And, BTW, there is the little matter of the stock's price. You can have all this good stuff and still pay too much. Jeremy Siegel's "Stocks for the Long Run" is a good reference on the "growth trap." Ben Graham's admonition:
" ... we advised the readers to buy their stocks as they bought their groceries, not as they bought their perfume. The really dreadful losses of the past few years (and on many similar occasions before) were realized in those common-stock issues where the buyer forgot to ask 'How much?' "

also applies.
 
Sure you are. Trading is a zero-sum game. In each trade there is one optimist buying and one pessimist selling. One winner and one loser. Odds are (80+%; I have seen 95% argued.) that if there is an amateur on one side of the trade there is a professional on the other side. @foxfirev5's speculation that he knows nothing that his counterparty doesn't know is probably correct for 99+% of amateurs, and the ones who do know more are probably trading on inside information.

Time eventually reveals which is the winner and which is the loser.

Buying and selling stocks is not a binary transaction. But let's go with this fallacy. It's entirely possible that I buy some shares of stock from someone that bought at $5 a share and sold it to me at $10 a share. Now I come along and buy it at $10 a share and sell it later for $30 a share. Neither of us involved in this transaction lost. (And this is not even considering dividends, stock splits, company buybacks, etc.)


No one has ever though of this before?

Buy low and sell high. No one has ever thought of this before?
Sheesh.

Look at the description of this forum:
Stock Picking and Market Strategy: Discussions about individual stocks or other investments, stock analysis, and market timing. Share your strategy or get advice about buying and selling decisions.

I'm providing input on the stated purpose of this forum in a thread about favorite growth stocks.

Now it's your turn to advise anyone and everyone, no matter what their station in life, that their best investment strategy is to buy the broadest possible world stock index and hold it.
 
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... Now it's your turn ...
I'll just offer a 35 minute video that's a pretty good investment education on its own -- an interview with Nobel Prize winner Eugene Fama. At about 1:52 he states, as I did, that the market is a zero sum game. At about 12:40 and about 26:45 he states that we have to hold the market portfolio, i.e. everything. What I know is all second hand. I get it from the experts like Fama.

Fama on "Investors from the Moon.":https://www.top1000funds.com/2015/12/investors-from-the-moon-fama/
 
I'll just offer a 35 minute video that's a pretty good investment education on its own -- an interview with Nobel Prize winner Eugene Fama. At about 1:52 he states, as I did, that the market is a zero sum game.

The discussion about zero sum game is in the context of active vs. inactive investment managers. He does mention individual stocks when he states, "it's easier to see with individual stocks. If you overweight it (an individual stock) because you think it's a good bet, that means someone else is underweighting it, you win, he loses." But this is in the context of a fund. Overweighting an individual stock within a fund.
 
The discussion about zero sum game is in the context of active vs. inactive investment managers. He does mention individual stocks when he states, "it's easier to see with individual stocks. If you overweight it (an individual stock) because you think it's a good bet, that means someone else is underweighting it, you win, he loses." But this is in the context of a fund. Overweighting an individual stock within a fund.
I think you do actually understand, but regardless I am not going to make any more efforts to explain the obvious.
 
I think you do actually understand, but regardless I am not going to make any more efforts to explain the obvious.

I understand that an active fund manager can buy an overweight position in an individual stock thereby favoring a sector within that fund; simultaneously a different fund manager might be underweight in that same individual stock. In this, given a certain time frame, one fund wins and one fund loses.

I understand that as an individual investor, if I buy individual stocks it is not a zero sum game. If I win, I win, but that doesn't mean that another individual stock investor loses.
 
... if I buy individual stocks it is not a zero sum game. If I win, I win, but that doesn't mean that another individual stock investor loses.
OK, one more try. The seller has lost the appreciation that you gained. Net change = zero. Had you not bought, he would have retained the appreciation and you would have gained nothing. Net change = zero.

Now done.
 
OK, one more try. The seller has lost the appreciation that you gained. Net change = zero. Had you not bought, he would have retained the appreciation and you would have gained nothing. Net change = zero.

Now done.

So you're saying when I sell an individual stock for a gain, the person I bought that stock from is "losing" the appreciation he would have retained had he held onto the stock. I gain, while he "loses" future potential gains.

And how far back into time are you willing to take this flawed argument? To the IPO?

You're arguing definitions of your own making, not real world examples.
 
Now done.

And yet, like Don Quixote, you can't help yourself but "tilt at wind mills" in each and every thread that dares to pick individual stocks.

We get it. Stock picking bad. Passive indexing good. :flowers:

p.s. I did a semi day trade yesterday. Bought $OCUL @ $9.20 in yesterdays pre-market, sold it today @ $11.10 today for a 20.6% profit (2 days). How? Because as an individual, I don't need to deal in big sizes like the funds do. The news was already out, it was up in pre-market. But I felt that when the market opened, much bigger players would be jumping in due to the news...and they did.
 
Do you have a favorite growth stock? Or any favorite stock?



The conversation has gone different directions in this thread. Question back to OP, were you asking about short term trading, long term investing or open to poster to clarify? “Growth” likely long-term. Favorites depend on goal. Clearly many ways to debate, but this would seem a key point to level set on.
 
I’m all in on BA baby! Then I’m headed to Vegas!

JK. I’m an index guy at heart but I did pick up a few shares of Boeing recently. Aerospace industry started in the US with Orville and Wilbur Wright and I am sentimental so holding out until it comes back.

Good Luck everybody.
 
And yet, like Don Quixote, you can't help yourself but "tilt at wind mills" in each and every thread that dares to pick individual stocks. We get it. Stock picking bad. Passive indexing good. :flowers:
Well, facts are stubborn things. It is not a matter of good and bad, it is a matter of what has been proven to be successful and what has been proven to be unsuccessful. We can go back farther, but Michael Jensen's 1967 Journal of Finance paper on stock-pickiing funds concluded this: "The evidence on mutual fund performance indicates not only that these 115 mutual funds were on average not able to predict security prices well enough to outperform a buy-the-market-and-hold policy, but also that there is very little evidence that any individual fund was able to do significantly better than that which we expected from mere random chance." Since then the most accessible research is the semiannual S&P SPIVA reports, which show that stock pickers on average underperform and the S&P Manager Persistence reports which show that winning as a stock picker is simply a matter of luck. I recommend that you read a few of them.

Some people come here to learn, and I think I is important that they learn from facts, not from anecdotes. There are always plenty of anecdotes about the winning trades, but few people post their failures. It looks so easy ...

FWIW, I used to believe the stock picking myth, too. In fact my first real investing effort in 1971 or 1972 was to do Fourier transform analysis of stock price series. It failed of course, as do most of the stock picking schemes. The few that succeed are quickly arbitraged away, so are not much use either.

p.s. I did a semi day trade yesterday. Bought $OCUL @ $9.20 in yesterdays pre-market, sold it today @ $11.10 today for a 20.6% profit (2 days). How? Because as an individual, I don't need to deal in big sizes like the funds do. The news was already out, it was up in pre-market. But I felt that when the market opened, much bigger players would be jumping in due to the news...and they did.

Good for you. Pipsqueek midgets like us do have a couple of advantages: First, our tiny trades do not move markets. Second, we don't have the cost burdens that professional stock pickers must bear. But we have disadvantages too, the most important of which is that we have very inadequate access to timely information compared to the professionals.

In the summer of 2018 I was developing my Adult-Ed investing class and spent an hour or two with the local TDAmeritrade branch manager. At that time, their strength was serving the pipsqueeks; day traders, etc. Towards the end of the conversation I asked her how that contingent had performed in the prior year (2017). There was a long, embarrassed pause, and then she said "One and a half percent." In 2017 indexes were up 20-40% depending on which one you picked. And I don't think her one an a half percent really tells the whole tale because it couldn't have been adjusted for survivorship bias. So the net result of individuals' stock picking was almost certainly negative in an extremely strong market year.

But hey, I'm as greedy as the next guy. If you have facts or research that contradicts the consensus over the last half century I would love to see it. Nobel prize winners Jensen, Fama, and Markowitz would probably also be interested.
 
I must confess, I spent an embarrassingly large amount of time on the S&P website doing research as part of my MBA program. S&P has researched this topic 20 ways to Sunday and came up with the results oldshooter describes.
 
I confess that I am not at all diversified and we have fallen in love with one stock. UNP. We have other mutual funds but they annoy us when they create tax gains we never see and which are pretty unpredictable. I really need to sell it and diversify, but the gains over three decades will mean a big state and fed tax bite if we sell it. And dang. It just keeps going up and paying dividends!
 
I hold mostly index ETF’s. VTI being the largest holding.

Have only two individual stocks: MSFT and AAPL
Microsoft would be my favorite.
 
OK, one more try. The seller has lost the appreciation that you gained. Net change = zero. Had you not bought, he would have retained the appreciation and you would have gained nothing. Net change = zero.

Now done.

OldShooter,

I am usually with you but you have me puzzled here.

Every stock anyone has ever owned (even by an index manager) was bought by someone else, who sold it. It sounds like you are suggesting that one of these folks "wins" and one "loses".

If true, it suggests that our ever rising stock market has produced offsetting gains and losses which net to zero.
 
Well, I am not a game theory guy and I know that there are some subtleties having to do with costs, IPOs adding stocks to the market, and buy-backs removing it. So I am mostly repeating what I have read, which makes sense to me. Here are a couple of clips from IMO credible sources:
"The initial way to view the stock market is as a zero-sum game. With any stock trade, one side wins, because it buys a security that increases in price, or because it sells one that declines. The other side loses, by the same amount. In aggregate, then, the stock market's collective trades amount to nothing at all." https://www.morningstar.com/articles/841310/is-the-stock-market-a-zero-sum-game

" ... financial markets, options and futures are examples of zero-sum games, excluding transaction costs. For every person who gains on a contract, there is a counter-party who loses." https://www.investopedia.com/terms/z/zero-sumgame.asp

HTH
 
About a decade ago I sufficiently proved that I sucked at stock picking and went 100% onto the broad, low-cost index fund wagon

However, I have slipped with teeny bits of FB, AMZN, AAPL(sadly sold to buy real estate). Lately, seduced by the return multiples, I'm thinking of SNOW.
 
Do you have a favorite growth stock? Or any favorite stock?

IMO, Individual stocks:
MSFT = Microsoft
TSLA = Tesla

"Safest"; also what Warren Buffet and Our Rich Journey (YouTube vloggers that retired around 39 years old from federal jobs) encourage:
S&P500 Index
Vanguard = VTSAX
Schwab = SWTSX
Fidelity = FZROX

Above index info from URL:
(above URL is not an affiliate link and only knowledge base for readers)
 
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Vanguard’s Total Stock Market is my favorite investment. A little of everything.
 
Right now, I'm for NVAX - the safest covid vaccine, and now approve for Phase 3 in the UK. US and India are also in the process of approving them for Phase 3, and they have a coming deal with EU. JNJ, Astra, INO - all their vaccines have been halted. Pfizer and Moderna's vaccines need to be stored at minus -100 F, so difficult for distribution. NVAX vaccine can be stored in any refrigerator. The US has awarded them $1.6 Billion. Current revenue for 2020 is $50 million. Projected Revenue for 2021 with their covid vaccine and their nanoflu = $3 Billion - $4 Billion .. that's a jump from 50 million to billions. The New England Journal of Medicine has a publication on their vaccine as safe and effective.
 
Right now, I'm for NVAX - the safest covid vaccine, and now approve for Phase 3 in the UK. US and India are also in the process of approving them for Phase 3, and they have a coming deal with EU. JNJ, Astra, INO - all their vaccines have been halted. Pfizer and Moderna's vaccines need to be stored at minus -100 F, so difficult for distribution. NVAX vaccine can be stored in any refrigerator. The US has awarded them $1.6 Billion. Current revenue for 2020 is $50 million. Projected Revenue for 2021 with their covid vaccine and their nanoflu = $3 Billion - $4 Billion .. that's a jump from 50 million to billions. The New England Journal of Medicine has a publication on their vaccine as safe and effective.
This is stuff that no one else knows, so it couldn't possibly be already reflected in the current stock price? See post #15.
 
Well, I am not a game theory guy and I know that there are some subtleties having to do with costs, IPOs adding stocks to the market, and buy-backs removing it. So I am mostly repeating what I have read, which makes sense to me. Here are a couple of clips from IMO credible sources:
"The initial way to view the stock market is as a zero-sum game. With any stock trade, one side wins, because it buys a security that increases in price, or because it sells one that declines. The other side loses, by the same amount. In aggregate, then, the stock market's collective trades amount to nothing at all." https://www.morningstar.com/articles/841310/is-the-stock-market-a-zero-sum-game

" ... financial markets, options and futures are examples of zero-sum games, excluding transaction costs. For every person who gains on a contract, there is a counter-party who loses." https://www.investopedia.com/terms/z/zero-sumgame.asp

HTH

In this context it makes no sense. Indexing would have no way to defeat this if it were in fact true.

It does make sense in the context of options.
 

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