Anyone Considering Cancelling Travel

After flying transatlantic for the first time since the start of the pandemic and based on our observations, we are going to be in this mess for a long time. We flew from LAX to CDG on an Air France 777 in business class yesterday. The flight was 100% full. It was continuation of a flight from Tahiti with the same aircraft. You would think that after 19 months of this pandemic, people would know how to wear a mask. A large number still use them as chin diapers. Although masks are mandatory at airports and in airplanes, wearing them below your nose offers no protection. We were in our pod seats for the flight to CDG and were reasonably isolated. However, for our connecting flight from CDG to GVA we were on a full flight on an Air France A319 with many partially masked passengers and many coughing so profusely throughout the 55 minute flight that we didn't want to remove our masks to eat. I had to wonder how many people caught the cold or flu or worse on that flight even though had they wore a mask properly and protected themselves. Austria and Switzerland are facing another wave to the point where Austria has mandated lockdowns for the unvaccinated. Switzerland will be voting on the fate of their COVID certificate on the 28th of November. If countries with relatively small populations such as Austria and Switzerland are having so many issues containing the virus, what does it say for the more populous nations?

My flights from SFO to Munich to the Cote d'Azur were all about 100% full today. The US holiday plus the final relaxation of the US immigration policy means there are a lot of EU expats from the Bay Area who are heading home for the first time. But masking compliance was pretty good, although not as strict as in August. Part of this is the originating area and rules in place in connecting airport.
 
After flying transatlantic for the first time since the start of the pandemic and based on our observations, we are going to be in this mess for a long time. . . .
I don't disagree that this will continue for some time. But not because of air travel, because of local politics and ability to vaccinate, and manage masking, etc.

I came back from a 2-week tour to Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Hungary 3 weeks ago. The airlines, especially trans-Atlantic were not full. In fact coach was half empty with Business and Premium Economy pretty much full heading to Europe. A short flight from Frankfurt to Prague was not full either, but about 75% full. The return flight from Budapest to Frankfurt was again not totally full and the trans-Atlantic was less full heading west. I had an entire row to myself in Premium Economy.

But OP is not wrong that as the US lifted restrictions on 11/2, flights will be fuller.
 
the mask mandates on US flights expire towards the end of January.

Will they be extended?

They have been twice this year.
 
the mask mandates on US flights expire towards the end of January.

Will they be extended?

They have been twice this year.

If everything is over by then, I'm sure they will expire.

However, a study just came out (don't have reference handy) where it said masks reduce transmission by 53% and distancing by a lot less.
If Covid is still around, I think they will be extended. Even if un-vaccinated people are banned from flying, which is an idea being talked about.
 
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I haven't flown since January 2020, but that will change soon. Heading to Puerto Vallarta with DW at the end of this month. Just got my booster. Ready to go.
 
I got my booster yesterday. Safeway didn't care that I wasn't in a specific group. Now all set for Philharmonic, Fort Lauderdale, and cruise. Onto figuring out which water taxi in FLL is best for a 1st timer who will be suffering from jet lag [emoji3]
 
In October 2020, my wife and I wanted to celebrate our 30th wedding anniversary at an all inclusive resort in Jamaica.

We all know how that went.

So after we got fully vaccinated in April 2021 we thought everything looks like it will be getting better and booked 6 days in Jamaica in October. Figured almost 7 months away.

Needless to say things are not going as expected. I was getting worried but dare not say anything to the wife as she was so excited.

A couple of days ago she said many friends are cancelling their domestic and international trips and thought we should consider cancelling ours.

Wow, didn't see that one coming. So I did some new research on Jamaica.

US government rates it a 3 stating to reconsider travel. Several weeks ago it was rated 4 - do not travel. So improving I guess.

Jamaica requires covid testing when visiting and US requires it when arriving. After reading Jamaica's covid guidelines, if you show a positive test before leaving you have to quarantine for 14 days and may be required to stay at a government facility.

Jamaica has less than 6% fully vaccinated.

Ughhhh. So I haven't cancelled yet as we have until October 1st but it does not look promising.

Anyone else considering or has cancelled travel?
We booked Jamaica again in March for travel this September when Jamaica was a level 1 to now celebrate our 32nd wedding anniversary.

Just cancelled again as Jamaica is a level 3 (which is now considered the highest level) due to COVID-19.

Just not willing to take a chance again with both covid and all the issues with the airlines.

I'm DONE with Jamaica.

Scheduled a local beach trip so my wife can get her beach fix. I'm more of a mountain person myself.
 
We have not flown since 2016. We were scheduled to fly to Reno on Southwest, but they changed our flight 3 times and we finally said the heck with it.
We have booked a Hawaii cruise for March 2023, but unless Princess extends our Future Cruise Credit of $10K we will cancel.
 
Yes. I just got back from a trip to the UK which went very smoothly.

I had booked another trip in late August, but I postponed that trip until late April 2023 because of all the travel disruption going on just now.
 
About to head out on my next trip to Vegas... I haven't flown anywhere since retiring but these longer car trips are getting harder on me, but still much more enjoyable/preferably than flying. I was making trips to Vegas in two days (with a one night stopover "somewhere" along the way.) Now it's typically three days with two "one night" stopovers. Hey I'm in no rush anyway. :) I try to stop/stay at different hotels and eat at different restaurants along the way each time to get the the local flavors. Seems to make it more interesting, YMMV
 
We have not flown since 2016. We were scheduled to fly to Reno on Southwest, but they changed our flight 3 times and we finally said the heck with it.
We have booked a Hawaii cruise for March 2023, but unless Princess extends our Future Cruise Credit of $10K we will cancel.

Wow..... I must be REALLY cheap, as I keep thinking I have $200 FCC with Princess that will expire end of this year. :blush:
 
My 50th high school reunion is in august. 2 of my friends live in Wisconsin and the other 2 don’t. Received a text saying we should all fly there for a visit. I usually organize our get togethers with a 6 month notice. I said no way am I flying again so soon on such short notice. I might have considered it if my youngest son would have been here to take care of the dogs. But he’s going back to Vietnam to teach soon.
 
I almost did cancel the Munich/Malta trip I took in May. It was a combination of inertia, having had my last two major trips curtailed due to COVID, and the required (at the time) negative test to re-enter the US. Just about everything I'd booked was refundable (was flying Business Class).

The friend I chose as a sounding board is an indication of what answer I was looking for- this guy LOVES travel and would do more if he had more $$. Heck, he even got excited when he had to spring his brother out of a hospital in St. Kitts after a transient ischemic attack on a cruise- new country, another stamp in his passport!:D

It was a very good decision and SO good to be back in Europe again. I've got E. Europe coming up next month and am a little concerned but I'm going to live my life with appropriate risk mitigation.
 
With a new car that we bought for enjoying comfortable road trips, we’re pretty focused on US independent travel by road these days.

At some point hopefully before too long we’ll resume our annual Europe visits, but we haven’t made specific plans yet and aren’t in a hurry. Fortunately some airfare credits we collected back in 2019 and 2020 for changed flights have been extended to Dec ‘23.
 
No, the opposite. Have not been anywhere for two years.

Just returned from five weeks in Portugal.

Tentatively planning 4-6 weeks in either Greece or Morocco in Sept/Oct.

Possibly an Xmas Mexico AI with daughter and family for a week.

Booked a one week resort stay in Thailand for part of our winter snowbird trip.
 
Here's a fellow who discovered he had Covid the morning he was supposed to fly home after a nearly seven week working trip to Europe. He works for a well known travel company the produces guidebooks and does tour. His style of writing is very chatty so the blog post is probably twice the sized that it needs to be to give us 'just the slightly embellished facts'.

https://blog.ricksteves.com/cameron/2022/07/i-got-covid/

When I tested positive for COVID on the morning I was supposed to fly home from Europe — on day 46 of a 46-day trip — I realized something: At this stage in the pandemic, every traveler is expected to be their own ethicist.
Speaking of which, I believe the single biggest factor in how I got COVID is that Scotland was absolutely on fire with COVID while I was there. Later — when it was too late — I found a BBC News article estimating that, during the very week I was sick, one out of every eighteen people in Scotland had COVID. One in eighteen! With those odds, there’s no doubt I was exposed at multiple points each day.
All I can personalty add is what I have already stated - I know more people today who have had a recent experience of Covid than I ever new in the past. Covid seems to be everywhere. I am very thankful for the vaccines. What a mess this would be without them.
 
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Chuck, that guy went for walks, to get his own food, etc. It’s a different experience never leaving the room for 8 days. I can also say that although plenty of the people on my bus had what appeared to be colds not one person including my friend was willing to test and quarantine. Now when I travel I know that is the risk I am taking.
 
…..All I can personalty add is what I have already stated - I know more people today who have had a recent experience of Covid than I ever new in the past. Covid seems to be everywhere. I am very thankful for the vaccines. What a mess this would be without them.

While most everyone I know (except DW and I) have had Covid, nobody I know has had it within the past 6 months. Everyone I know who did get Covid (except 3 elderly people with comorbidities) had mild symptoms. Almost everyone I know who had Covid were not vaccinated when they contacted it.

Not much recent local news or talk about Covid. Usually only see masks in a dr’s office. Doesn’t seem to be any Covid around here lately.

That said, I am also very thankful for the vaccines. Around here, it seems like the vaccines have knocked down the spread of Covid significantly.

But I still would consider canceling travel to an area where Covid was rampant.
 
While most everyone I know (except DW and I) have had Covid, nobody I know has had it within the past 6 months. Everyone I know who did get Covid (except 3 elderly people with comorbidities) had mild symptoms. Almost everyone I know who had Covid were not vaccinated when they contacted it.

Not much recent local news or talk about Covid. Usually only see masks in a dr’s office. Doesn’t seem to be any Covid around here lately.

That said, I am also very thankful for the vaccines. Around here, it seems like the vaccines have knocked down the spread of Covid significantly.

But I still would consider canceling travel to an area where Covid was rampant.

Seems like every time we think its getting safe out there we start hearing more news like this on Covid....Saw similar report on the ABC evening news tonight...

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/05/healt...isk/index.html
From CNN

Repeatedly catching Covid-19 appears to increase the chances that a person will face new and sometimes lasting health problems after their infection, according to the first study on the health risks of reinfection.

The study, which is based on the health records of more than 5.6 million people treated in the VA Health System, found that, compared with those with just one Covid-19 infection, those with two or more documented infections had more than twice the risk of dying and three times the risk of being hospitalized within six months of their last infection. They also had higher risks for lung and heart problems, fatigue, digestive and kidney disorders, diabetes and neurologic problems.

The findings come as a fresh wave of coronavirus variants, notably Omicron’s BA.5, have become dominant in the United States and Europe, causing cases and hospitalizations to rise once again. BA.5 caused about 54% of cases nationwide last week, doubling its share of Covid-19 transmission over the past two weeks, according to data posted Tuesday by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. BA.5 carries key mutations that help it escape antibodies generated by both vaccines and prior infection, leaving many people vulnerable to reinfection.

Dr. Ziyad Al-Aly, a clinical epidemiologist at Washington University in St. Louis, led the research, which was posted as a preprint ahead of peer review. He said he decided to do it after watching reinfections become more and more common among his own patients.

“If you asked me about reinfection maybe a year and a half ago, I would tell you that maybe I have a patient here or there, but it’s really, really rare,” Al-Aly said. That’s not true anymore, though.

“So we asked a simple question that if you got Covid before and now you’re on your second infection, does this really add risk? And the simple answer is that it does.”

bad news..Local...

Nine of Arizona’s 15 counties are now in a high level of COVID-19 community transmission.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Coconino, Yavapai, Mohave, Apache, Navajo and others have all experienced rising infections in recent weeks.

The CDC recommends all people in areas of high transmission wear masks indoors in public and take additional precautions.


The most recent virus report released on Friday showed cases were on the rise after a slight decline since early June.

Statewide, COVID infections have increased since early May but still remain well below the pandemic’s all-time high point last January.

More than 16,500 cases have been confirmed in Arizona in the last week.
 
I have done some recent traveling by auto and all was well but there is no way I am getting on a plane right now with all of the cancellations and delays.
 
I have done some recent traveling by auto and all was well but there is no way I am getting on a plane right now with all of the cancellations and delays.

+1
Travel is supposed to be enjoyable and travel by air at the moment is not the carefree travel I have experienced in the past. As much as we would like to travel more to other countries, we will stick with places that we can drive to within 8-10 hours.

Cheers!
 
I have done some recent traveling by auto and all was well but there is no way I am getting on a plane right now with all of the cancellations and delays.

I hate to sound negative, but many of the people I know who have had Covid recently, had not traveled anywhere in the weeks before they became sick.

Traveling or not, be careful. There is more corona virus out there spreading around than people think.

Below is a recent display of what is happening nationwide.
 

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I hate to sound negative, but many of the people I know who have had Covid recently, had not traveled anywhere in the weeks before they became sick.

Traveling or not, be careful. There is more corona virus out there spreading around than people think.

Below is a recent display of what is happening nationwide.

The main reason I am not traveling by plane is not Covid--it is because of the delays and cancellations. I know a couple that had their flight delayed by 2 days so they just gave up and came back home.
 
Just starting to look into travel requirents for Aruba for November. Anyone with recent experience?
 
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