Dark Matter Image

Fascinating. I'm always interested in news about galaxies, stars, planets, and dark matter!
Our county forest preserve district ( I'm on a committee) helped with getting one of our parks certified as an International Dark Sky Park. Star gazers from all over, other states included come to see the sky. The astronomical society brings huge telescopes for visitors to view the sky at night.

Cool stuff. Looks like artwork to me. I'd love to have that picture on my wall!
 
From what I read in the article, it pretty much is artwork. Not to be a spoil sport. Just seems like so much conjecture built on conjecture. But goodness knows I’m no expert.
 
Coolio. Might help us figure out how to explore the universe without the constraint of c.
 
From what I read in the article, it pretty much is artwork. Not to be a spoil sport. Just seems like so much conjecture built on conjecture. But goodness knows I’m no expert.

I have worked around astronomy my entire career although I am not an astronomer. We can only explain the observed behavior of the universe by assuming 5% of the mass is matter and the other 95% is magical fufu dust called either dark energy or dark matter.

As an engineer, if I only understood 5% of what I built I think it would be time to give up. Not knocking astronomers at all, just saying that we are basically clueless about the universe!
 
I have worked around astronomy my entire career although I am not an astronomer. We can only explain the observed behavior of the universe by assuming 5% of the mass is matter and the other 95% is magical fufu dust called either dark energy or dark matter.

As an engineer, if I only understood 5% of what I built I think it would be time to give up. Not knocking astronomers at all, just saying that we are basically clueless about the universe!

I'm amazed to realize that the concept of galaxies is only 100 years old. I don't know if it's frustrating or encouraging to astronomers and physicists to realize that: The more we know, the more we realize how little we know about the universe. YMMV
 
They did not capture an image of dark matter.
They generated a composite image of gravitational lensing/warpage using 23,000 pairs of galaxies into a single combined image and then attributed the combined gravitational warping to dark matter. What else would somebody looking for dark matter attribute it to?
From one of the authors bios: "I measure the properties of dark matter and dark energy through gravitational lensing and cosmic flows".
 
They did not capture an image of dark matter.
They generated a composite image of gravitational lensing/warpage using 23,000 pairs of galaxies into a single combined image and then attributed the combined gravitational warping to dark matter. What else would somebody looking for dark matter attribute it to?
From one of the authors bios: "I measure the properties of dark matter and dark energy through gravitational lensing and cosmic flows".

Yeah, I kinda wondered how you take a picture of dark matter - since it's invisible and all. Maybe they're using dark energy.:facepalm:

Still anything that can shed light (sorry about that) on dark matter - and energy - is a worthy goal, even if it's a primitive attempt at this point. YMMV
 
I have worked around astronomy my entire career although I am not an astronomer. We can only explain the observed behavior of the universe by assuming 5% of the mass is matter and the other 95% is magical fufu dust called either dark energy or dark matter.

As an engineer, if I only understood 5% of what I built I think it would be time to give up. Not knocking astronomers at all, just saying that we are basically clueless about the universe!

Yep, IMHO "dark matter" was invented to make the equations balance.

Just goes to show we almost certainly got the equations wrong. :)
 
Yep, IMHO "dark matter" was invented to make the equations balance.

Just goes to show we almost certainly got the equations wrong. :)

Recently there is a lot of work to go in a different direction than the "dark" crutches.

It reminds me of the old planet motion models based on an earth centric view. They had all these complicated orbits within orbits to explain the retrograde motion. This idea actually flew for quite a while until Copernicus and others became heretics with different ideas.

Not much has changed in 500 years. Scientists on the outside of the established idea are shunned, doxxed and defunded. At least they don't burn them at the stake anymore -- I think.
 
Einstein's theories of relativity were pretty far out there when he published them. If ER.org had been around then, I'm sure we would have poo poo'd them just like this thread. We have a lot of cool stuff now because we better understand space time and gravity (GPS). We'll figure it out eventually. The real stupid thing to do is stop trying.
 
Can you imagine where we would be today without hypothesizing, theories and experimentation? As for naysayers, and shunning those outside mainstream thinking, that exists in all fields of endeavor:facepalm:.
 
I guess the real breakthrough will come when we can build a spacecraft that will travel faster than the speed of light. :D Think of all the places one could visit then, well, the close ones anyway.
 
Yep, IMHO "dark matter" was invented to make the equations balance.

Just goes to show we almost certainly got the equations wrong. :)

Yeah, I think the scientists have pretty much admitted that dark energy/dark matter are fudge factors to make the observed universe expansion fit.
 
Einstein's theories of relativity were pretty far out there when he published them. If ER.org had been around then, I'm sure we would have poo poo'd them just like this thread. We have a lot of cool stuff now because we better understand space time and gravity (GPS). We'll figure it out eventually. The real stupid thing to do is stop trying.

I think the difference(s) between the dark matter/energy theory and Einstein's theories is that Einstein's theories immediately suggested ways each aspect of the theory could be tested. Maybe not in 1905 but someday - and soon. That doesn't mean the tests would be easy, but folks "in the know" quickly figured what it would take to test the theory in real life. And they did as soon as they could. And the rest, as they say, is history. YMMV
 
I think the difference(s) between the dark matter/energy theory and Einstein's theories is that Einstein's theories immediately suggested ways each aspect of the theory could be tested. Maybe not in 1905 but someday - and soon. That doesn't mean the tests would be easy, but folks "in the know" quickly figured what it would take to test the theory in real life. And they did as soon as they could. And the rest, as they say, is history. YMMV

I am confident we will eventually figure this all out. If not, we will be doomed to interplanetary travel and maybe some interstellar travel. That is depressing a future. I am talking epochs here, not centuries or millennia.
 
Yep, IMHO "dark matter" was invented to make the equations balance.

Just goes to show we almost certainly got the equations wrong. :)

Yeah, I think the scientists have pretty much admitted that dark energy/dark matter are fudge factors to make the observed universe expansion fit.

As someone with a long-standing interest in physics and cosmology, I don't think this is accurate. I probably read 2-3 "hard science" books about these kinds of topics every year, and my understanding is that dark matter was not simply invented to make certain equations balance. There are decades of observations that show most (maybe all?) galaxies have too little ordinary/visible matter to hold together and spin as they do. Dark matter, whatever it is, is the missing stuff that interacts gravitationally with ordinary matter so that galaxies and other supermassive structures (like galaxy clusters, filaments, etc.) coalesce, hold together, and stay gravitationally bound. I would say that the existence of dark matter (albeit not its precise nature) is as well-established and accepted by physicists today as is the existence of, say, black holes. Neither can be directly observed, for various reasons, but their existence can be inferred with high confidence using standard, well-established methods of observation, experimentation, and theoretical analysis. This kind of indirect discovery happens all the time in science and doesn't equate to simply "inventing" things or coming up with "fudge factors" just to make equations balance.

Dark energy, on the other hand, does fall slightly more into the "fudge factor" realm, although just slightly so. But that's a topic for another day. :cool:
 
I clicked on the link in the OP. Malwarebytes premium detected and blocked this site for me. First time it has done that:


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So possible malware.
 
I clicked on the link in the OP. Malwarebytes premium detected and blocked this site for me. First time it has done that:


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So possible malware.

I have iMac with Monterrey, nothing indicated from Apple's protections, unless something has recently changed.
 
I have iMac with Monterrey, nothing indicated from Apple's protections, unless something has recently changed.

Yeah, nothing from Mac or Norton. Hope all is well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well,
 
I have iMac with Monterrey, nothing indicated from Apple's protections, unless something has recently changed.

Maybe it is OK but I just thought one should know about this warning. Sorry I don’t mean to shut down discussion.
 
As someone with a long-standing interest in physics and cosmology, I don't think this is accurate. I probably read 2-3 "hard science" books about these kinds of topics every year, and my understanding is that dark matter was not simply invented to make certain equations balance. There are decades of observations that show most (maybe all?) galaxies have too little ordinary/visible matter to hold together and spin as they do. Dark matter, whatever it is, is the missing stuff that interacts gravitationally with ordinary matter so that galaxies and other supermassive structures (like galaxy clusters, filaments, etc.) coalesce, hold together, and stay gravitationally bound. I would say that the existence of dark matter (albeit not its precise nature) is as well-established and accepted by physicists today as is the existence of, say, black holes. Neither can be directly observed, for various reasons, but their existence can be inferred with high confidence using standard, well-established methods of observation, experimentation, and theoretical analysis. This kind of indirect discovery happens all the time in science and doesn't equate to simply "inventing" things or coming up with "fudge factors" just to make equations balance.

Dark energy, on the other hand, does fall slightly more into the "fudge factor" realm, although just slightly so. But that's a topic for another day. :cool:

Your explanation seems to refute your own premise.
If dark matter is as you described: "Dark matter, whatever it is, is the missing stuff that interacts ..."

Then yes you could describe dark matter as the stuff scientists have invented to make their equations and theories work.

E = mc2

c is a constant
m is mass/matter
E is energy

2 variables involved and scientists have Dark Energy and Dark Matter to fix this whenever their work does not fit the equation.

I wish I could have gotten away with that in my career. Would have made things a lot easier.
 
Would you rather?

1. Have warp drive, but limited to warp 5 (using the original Franz Joseph cubic equation methodology)
2. Have star-gates (ala Stargate) but no warp drive ships.
 
Your explanation seems to refute your own premise.
If dark matter is as you described: "Dark matter, whatever it is, is the missing stuff that interacts ..."

Then yes you could describe dark matter as the stuff scientists have invented to make their equations and theories work.

E = mc2

c is a constant
m is mass/matter
E is energy

2 variables involved and scientists have Dark Energy and Dark Matter to fix this whenever their work does not fit the equation.

I wish I could have gotten away with that in my career. Would have made things a lot easier.

Yeah, my boss would never accept: "And then, there is a MIRACLE!" (Tip of the hat to Larson.)
 
Can always substitute J factor for the explanation.
See Chilton and Coburn, J-factor analogy.
 
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