Best CD, MM Rates & Bank Special Deals Thread 2023 - Please post updates here

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Just want to clarify, each CD that you buy through brokerages carry the full FDIC protection?

If you buy CDs from bank1, bank2, bank3, you can get up to $250k FDIC protection at each of this 3 banks?

It wouldn't be just one FDIC account limit under the auspices of the brokerage?

Since the brokerage will be providing a consolidated 1099-INT for these CDs?
 
Just want to clarify, each CD that you buy through brokerages carry the full FDIC protection?

If you buy CDs from bank1, bank2, bank3, you can get up to $250k FDIC protection at each of this 3 banks?

It wouldn't be just one FDIC account limit under the auspices of the brokerage?

Since the brokerage will be providing a consolidated 1099-INT for these CDs?




https://www.fdic.gov/consumers/consumer/news/cnspr13/cdsfrombrokers.html



[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Make sure all of your deposit will be fully insured. To protect your brokered CD from loss if the bank fails, follow these steps to confirm that your money is placed in a properly titled deposit account at an FDIC-insured bank and that all of it is within the deposit insurance limits. First, get the name of the bank where your money is to be deposited and verify that it is FDIC-insured by calling the FDIC toll-free at 1-877-275-3342 or searching BankFind, the FDIC’s database of insured institutions at https://banks.data.fdic.gov/bankfind-suite/bankfind.
Second, ask your broker to confirm that the deposit account records for its brokered CDs reflect the broker’s role as an agent for its clients (for instance, by titling the account “XYZ Brokerage, as Custodian for Clients”). That way, each client who owns the CD can qualify for up to at least $250,000 in deposit insurance. This coverage is generally referred to as “pass-through” insurance because it bypasses the broker and is calculated based on the ownership interests of the individual depositors.
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Just want to clarify, each CD that you buy through brokerages carry the full FDIC protection?
As long you don't buy more than 250k from the same bank.

Example, don't buy three CD's from Wells Fargo for 100k each through your broker. That would exceed the 250k insurance. So, instead, buy two 100k CD's from Wells Fargo and another 100k from Chase all through the same broker and then you are covered.

If you buy CDs from bank1, bank2, bank3, you can get up to $250k FDIC protection at each of this 3 banks?
Yes - And I'm doing that now at Schwab!
It wouldn't be just one FDIC account limit under the auspices of the brokerage?
No
 
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Schwab hit 5% on brokered CD's today but it appears they sold out very quickly. Still plenty of 4.75% and 4.8 % available in the 9 to 18mo maturity range. I expect 5% will become common in a week or so for CD's under 2 yrs.
 
Schwab hit 5% on brokered CD's today but it appears they sold out very quickly. Still plenty of 4.75% and 4.8 % available in the 9 to 18mo maturity range. I expect 5% will become common in a week or so for CD's under 2 yrs.


FYI, The few 5% CDs I saw earlier today were all callable every 6 months. I settled for a t-bill with 17 months left on it for 4.8%. It filled a missing step in my ladder.
 
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They were snapped up so quick I didn't get to see the details so maybe these were callable. If so I wouldn't have been interested.
 
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They were snapped up so quick I didn't get to see the details so maybe these were callable. If so I wouldn't have been interested.
No need to bother with a callable CD. There are Treasuries available in the secondary market right now maturing in about a year paying 5%. For example

US Treasury 2.125% 02/29/2024
CUSIP: 912828W48
Price: 97.12832
YTM: 5.003%
 
IF we are going to have a soft landing; i.e., no recession; the yield curve will need to UN-invert. That could get pretty interesting if short term rates (controlled by Fed to large extent) stay high, then the yields on longer maturities will need to rise substantially. That could be a great time to lock in yield.

Of course, that is predicated on a soft landing.

Marc
 
I think we will see the 10 year treasury around 4.6%. That's about where it was prior to the 2008/9 financial crisis. I would take clues from what the Fed says.

The Fed's dot plots say they plan to cut in 2024. So if you take your cues from the Fed you should be extending securities now, not waiting.
 
The Fed's dot plots say they plan to cut in 2024. So if you take your cues from the Fed you should be extending securities now, not waiting.

A Fed official was on Bloomberg that there is no plan to cut interest rates any time soon. He re-iterated that rates will stay at the target Fed funds rates of 5-5.25% for the remainder of the year and if required they will raise it to 5.75-6% in mid 2024 if inflation remains elevated.

As I stated before, follow the Wall Street bond traders at your own peril. They were wrong in 2021 locking in long duration treasuries at record low interest rates and they will be proven wrong again bidding up 10-30 year notes last month. They are only risking "other peoples money" and don't care what happens.
 
A Fed official was on Bloomberg that there is no plan to cut interest rates any time soon. He re-iterated that rates will stay at the target Fed funds rates of 5-5.25% for the remainder of the year and if required they will raise it to 5.75-6% in mid 2024 if inflation remains elevated.

2024 is not that soon I guess. I think they could raise more this year or lower more but if following the Fed as you suggest that means planning for cuts in 2024 which does not leave a lot of time to extend maturities as I see it.

Buy reasonable minds may differ.
 
IIRC, Powell indicated there would likely be 2 more rate increases this year. I'm guessing .25 each time, if inflation drops like he expects. If not maybe .5.... But who knows! If inflation continues to drop as slowly as it has been, these rates will likely hold well into (or even thoughout) 2024. Since longer term CD's are rising too, (at least out 2 yrs) it seems the banks may be thinking that too.

Just like picking the the tops and bottoms of stock prices, it's a bit of luck but I think buying in the 2nd half of this year may be the sweet spot for CD's. Of course lots of factors can (and may) change that. IMO, I think there's much greater chance that rates will continue to rise this year than for them to drop at all.
 
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NFCU hasn’t been mentioned foe a while although it was being discussed earlier in the context of their 5%/15 month special.

Yesterday I was reviewing the IRA CDs I have with them. These were all purchased during the time of lower interest rates so I called to see if I could get a better deal on any of them. This seems to be what they’re doing…

They’ll let you move your current CD to a new one with a higher interest rate (without an EWP) IF that will extend your maturity. In my case I had one with 13 months remaining. I was able to move it to a 24 month CD but not to a 12 month. (Both were paying the same interest rate. I suppose I could have moved it to an 18 month but the interest rate was lower.) I declined to move another one to a 3 year CD as it doesn’t fit my RMD plans.

NFCU isn’t paying as much as some banks are (4.2% for the 2 year) but I’m at the stage where an acceptable rate suits me rather than chasing rates all over the country.
 
The Fed's dot plots say they plan to cut in 2024. So if you take your cues from the Fed you should be extending securities now, not waiting.
LMAO. You believe the dot plots? Take a look at the dot plot from the 12/15/21 Fed meeting. The middle of the dot plot had the Fed Funds rate at 1.50-1.75% in 2023. How'd that work out? Even the Fed doesn't believe their own dot plots and have talked about eliminating them.
 

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LMAO. You believe the dot plots? Take a look at the dot plot from the 12/15/21 Fed meeting. The middle of the dot plot had the Fed Funds rate at 1.50-1.75% in 2023. How'd that work out? Even the Fed doesn't believe their own dot plots and have talked about eliminating them.
No, I don't believe them. I made the same point you are making in another thread. But Freedom56 said we should "follow the Fed" and suggested no cuts for a very long time. Both can't be true.

But I do agree the Fed has no credibility and the should really stop with all the "transparency" as it suggests market knowledge the do not possess.
 
But I do agree the Fed has no credibility and the should really stop with all the "transparency" as it suggests market knowledge the do not possess.

Are you saying we should not trust them, but trust the self serving cowboy gamblers in the stock market? LOFL
 
You mean trust them (the Fed) when they say something like "inflation is transitory"? I guess if they mean inflation will come down to normal ranges in 5+ years it could still be considered transitory. When he said that I was thinking maybe as much as a year.

I think they are probably doing what they think is right (I hope) but it's sure taking a long time. One thing for sure, they sure can affect the markets when they speak. At least in the short term.
 
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You mean trust them (the Fed) when they say something like "inflation is transitory"? I guess if they mean inflation will come down to normal ranges in 5+ years it could still be considered transitory. When he said that I was thinking maybe as much as a year.

We really have no choice considering the alternative.
 
We really have no choice considering the alternative.
Now I can agree we have no choice but to go along with what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I trust them. But like some other investors, I've adjusted how I invest based on what they have done and not so much on what they say they are going to do.
 
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You folks are funny. My motto is to trust no one when it comes to predicting the future. Everyone is playing their game. The Fed and others with "inflation is transitory" when it was obvious to me that it was anything but given the monetary and fiscal stimulus. Or Wall Street bond traders who are playing their book.

Each of us has to make our own path. try to preserve capital, and move on down the road.

Looking at inflation, we've had a big rush up (starting with commodity prices and supply issues with various goods due to COVID shutdown), followed by a pull back/slow down in growth in economic activity (consumer purchasing) due to higher orices, followed by increases in costs in services as inflation spread through the economy (from commodities to goods to services). A pull back in inflation growth due to a commidity price pullback (which has ended), and now....what.....

One school of thought is that inflation is on the road to being beaten, price growth will return quickly to a reasonable level (e.g. the 2% Fed target).

Another school of thought is that inflation is not even close to being beaten, that there is still a lot of excess money and rates aren't nearly high enough to reduce demand (as could be seen by the jump in real estate activity when mortgage rates fell for a bit - they are now moving back up), and that as China continues to reopen commodity prices will again rise pushing inflation rates back up.

Or maybe neither of the above will happen, instead we will just muddle through for a while with rates somewhere in this range, with the economy stalling but not collapsing.

Who really knows. My investment theme remains the same. Capture good rates on the short end, occasionally buy something longer if it catches my eye, but be very careful at increased risk investments (e.g. bonds of companies or industries under stress), be cautious about allocating a lot of additional capital to equities until what appears to me declining earnings growth looks like it is behind us.
 
No, I don't believe them. I made the same point you are making in another thread. But Freedom56 said we should "follow the Fed" and suggested no cuts for a very long time. Both can't be true.

But I do agree the Fed has no credibility and the should really stop with all the "transparency" as it suggests market knowledge the do not possess.

Again you can follow the Wall Street traders/market at your own peril. Locking 10 year treasuries at 3.4-3.5 treasuries was foolish and only self-serving to the funds they work for that are now facing another year of liquidation. Locking in 10 year corporates at YTM 4.8% is equally foolish. A 6% yield it makes more sense for 10 year high grade corporates. Playing the short end of the curve still makes sense. There is no need to go beyond 5 years unless you are compensated with higher yields. Right now only treasuries up to one year are worth buying. CDs and corporate notes have to re-price to reality which will happen over the next month. With MM funds paying 4.5% and increasing every few weeks there is no compelling reason to lock in low long term yields.
 
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