The Big Picture | Its Unanimous: Banks Have Bottomed!
Interesting that all the big newspapers are saying the banks have bottomed
But at today's prices, preferred shares are much more attractive
Besides Fannie Mae, there are plenty of other preferreds with double-digit yields, including Lehman Brothers , Wachovia and Washington Mutual . WaMu's is among the riskiest financial preferreds, trading for just 6.50, a fraction of its face value of $25, but WaMu says it's adequately capitalized. Many companies like Lehman, Citigroup and Wachovia have issued both fixed-rate "straight" preferred and convertibles. A convert, like the Lehman issue in the table, has the advantage of giving investors a call option on the stock. Converts usually yield less than straight preferred.
Again, check out HBAN for a bank I believe is on the upswing.
First off, HBAN is in a depressed part of Ohio!
Secondly, they were hit pretty hard in '07 and they made their way through it. They are still making a profit, which seems to be unheard of in the banking industry. They've already written off a bunch of their bad debt, so I believe they have a much greater upside potential than most banks right now.
BTW, I think I first recommended the stock earlier than that. You may have just seen my most recent.
Bought 400 WB @ 8.93 on Friday afternoon, still holding it.
Wow!
"Wachovia shares fell more than 90% in premarket trading, and the New York Stock Exchange did not open the shares for trading. Citigroup was off 1% at $19.95 shortly after the market opened."
This is getting real. Wachovia was supposed to be a good bank. Interesting investing sidelight was that insiders bought shares heavily several times on the way down, including just 2 weeks ago.
09/15/08BAKER JOHN D IIPurchase25,000$12.25306,250.0009/15/08GOODWIN WILLIAM H JRPurchase1 Mil$11.0011.00 Mil08/19/08SHERBURNE JANE CECILE*Grant164,107NANA07/23/08KELLY STANHOPE AGift5,000NANA07/22/08KELLY STANHOPE ASold5,000$13.9569,755.0007/22/08STEEL ROBERT KINGPurchase1 Mil$16.1716.17 Mil07/15/08STEEL ROBERT KINGGrant1.99 MilNANA03/05/08BAKER JOHN D IIPurchase10,000$28.75287,450.0003/03/08BAKER JOHN D IIPurchase10,000$30.37303,700.0002/28/08BAKER JOHN D IIPurchase10,000$32.00320,000.00
Ouch!
Ha
Makes me think some of these bank execs don't even know and understand the exposure they have in these financial derivatives.
They are in Ohio, but from my memory of a year ago when I looked at them when they were reccomended as a dividend play at 18, I believe the largest amount of loans they had were in the state of Michigan and very vunerable to the auto industry, at least that is my memory.
If I am remembering the right bank they had bought another bank which had a whole bunch of subprime loans on it's books that it had to eat and that prior to that they had been a real conservative bank. I may have to look at my old file on this guy again.
No, you're right. They bought out another bank and all their bad debt. Gave the CEO a nice retirement package then patted themselves on the back as the stock price died. They deserve a class action suit for mismanagement.
All that said, I think the stock has some upside.
The Sandlers built GWF on ARMs and then sold the whole shebang to Kenny Thompson because they saw the end of the show was coming. I remember reading an article about the sale in the WSJ, which all but accused Thompson of being a fool and the Sandlers of selling a ticking time bomb.If you're referring to Wachovia, I think they bought Golden West Financial, a California institution that invented the pick-a-payment loan, or at least it was thier growth engine until they had a spill.
If you're referring to Wachovia, I think they bought Golden West Financial, a California institution that invented the pick-a-payment loan, or at least it was thier growth engine until they had a spill.
No, we were talking about HBAN. They bought out Skye Financial which dumped a whole lot of bad loans on them.
same game....differeny names
anyone want to bet that GS will hit around $40 a share before this is all over?