I think that is "per month". All the expenses look like monthly numbers.
Must be in NY or NJ...mine are $1300/mth in NY for a small ranch built in the 1960s. I dream of moving out of here one day to a lower cost area!
I think that is "per month". All the expenses look like monthly numbers.
I can appreciate your situation, I had some of the same motivations, same high income, specialized field going away, and aging parents, though mine was 80 when I retired and my dad passed last year.. being able to do hospice for him and my mom was a blessing I could never measure.
On the flip side, you have a family and you reduced almost everything to zero that was discretionary which leads me to believe you are not being realistic. The other concern is your assumption that your $1M will grow to $1.5M in 5 years. If you and your spouse are flexible and willing to change plans and do what it takes if those assumptions are wrong, then do what you think makes sense for your family. You just will need to monitor it and be proactive to correct.
In my own case, something came up and I will be doing seasonal work or something similar until I make up the money. (ok found a pretty home I just couldn't say no to.. bigger home was NOT part of the retirement budget).
Must be in NY or NJ...mine are $1300/mth in NY for a small ranch built in the 1960s. I dream of moving out of here one day to a lower cost area!
.... I took the job very seriously and it caused me a lot of stress. If I can take the job as "good to have, but not needed", then the stress can be lower and I can have more flexibility.
I found that once I was FI that my job was much less stressful because if it got to be too stressful I knew that I could always say "take this job and shove it"... but in a nice way. I also found that I felt much more free to be candid about work issues, often expressing contrarian views that higher ups may not want to hear but that many of my teammates were feeling too but were apprehensive to say.
Funny enough... they loved it.
It might be that because they knew that I was FI and could walk out the door and anytime of my choosing that they treated me differently... I dunno.
+1
I pay four times that amount on a property of similar value. Sounds like a bargain to me.
Must be in NY or NJ...mine are $1300/mth in NY for a small ranch built in the 1960s. I dream of moving out of here one day to a lower cost area!
1100 property tax? Wow.
The post retirement budget seems way unrealistic. Housing repairs & maintenance tend to run 1-2% of the homes value in the long run. A new roof can run $15-20k. HVAC overhaul $10k. And so on. No gifts, travel, eating out, new clothes, furniture, new electronics (really?) - yeah no way that's happening.
My suggestion is to start cutting expenses NOW (eg eating out) and move to a more stable, less stressful line of work. If you have a technical degree, take a coding bootcamp or get a certificate (or even a Masters) in software development. There will be some hurdles and pay cuts in the beginning but the can be overcome.
You are in your 30s, there is still time. IMO you will explode if you continue on this path. And even if your plan is perfectly executed, you will still encounter problems in the future (already discussed by many posters, no need for me to rehash).
I would also pay off kid's college. I don't want my kids slaving away paying interest and loans for years when I can pay them off with a single year (or less) salary.
Thank you for the input. My house was recently built, so I don't see major expenses yet. I will leave some room for the repair cost. I also plan to move to Malaysia (where I am from) after FIRE and it can reduce my cost pretty significantly. I can rent a decent size apartment for about 700-1000 dollars and the medical cost is pretty low there. The international school is also cheap and kids can move back to US for college around 2030.
I’m getting confused at this point- your original post doesn’t include anything for renting an apartment. And you have a few other posts talking about how costs will go down when the mortgage is paid off. And you made another post about how you will be keeping the same house. But now you post about moving to another country and renting an apartment, while your kids are still in school....
You said your wife will continue working for several years after you FIRE. Will her job allow her to work from Malaysia? You also mentioned the international school is cheap- but I don’t recall seeing a budget item for paying for pre-college schooling either.
Am I missing something?
1. I am 38 and wife is 33. Both working. Two kids 3 and 8.
2. I am making 180k and wife is making 52k. Totally 232k, but my job is not stable. May have to take a lower pay job next spring.
3. Retirement account (IRA and 401k): 300K, taxable 150k, cash 150k, totally 600k savings, all the investment funds are from Vanguard.
4. House is 380k, mortgage balance is 180k, about 200k equity in the house. Currently the mortgage is 15 year, interest rate 3%, but keeping the mortgage may require a higher cash flow and I am afraid I won't be able to generate the cash flow with 1M investment. I am planning to accumulate 1M and pay off mortgage before FIRE.
5. I am contributing 18k into 401K (employer match 7k) and 5.5K into roth IRA, wife is contributing 12k into simple IRA (1k match from her employer). About 50k goes into taxable account each year.
6. My expenses are quite high due to mortgage, property tax and day care cost. Monthly I am spending about 7400 dollars. It can be reduced to less than 3000 after FIRE. I plan to pay off mortgage and won't have day care cost after FIRE.
Current Cost:
Mortgage 1620 (11 years left on mortgage at 3%)
Day Care 1600 (day care cost will be gone in 2 years)
Property Tax 1100
House Repair 50
Medical 200
Gas 250
Toll 100
Car Insurance/Repair 200
Water 100
Gas and Electricity 100
Cable and Phone 150
Grocery 800 (can reduce to 500)
Eat Out 500 (can reduce to 200)
Clothes 100
Vacation 100
Education 200
Gifts 50
Entertainment Toys 50
Electronics 50
Furnitture 50
Other 50
Total 7420
Reduced Cost after FIRE and paying off mortgage
Mortgage 0
Day Care 0
Property Tax 1100
House Repair 50
Medical 200
Gas 100
Toll 20
Car Insurance/Repair 200
Water 100
Gas and Electricity 100
Cable and Phone 90
Grocery 600
Eat Out 0
Clothes 0
Vacation 0
Education 100
Gifts 0
Entertainment Toys 0
Electronics 0
Furnitture 0
Other 0
Total 2660
Currently the job I have is not very stable and I may have to take an 80k job next year, so the total income will decrease to 134K, it will slow down my FIRE process significantly. I had a late start and had 0 networth six years ago. I don’t like the high stress jobs. I really want to achieve FIRE ASAP. Currently I am able to save about 10k per month, but I can only save about 3k per month after changing the job.
Based on my calculation, my total investment and saving can reach 1 million after working at the new job for 3-4 years. I may work for 1-2 years to pay down the mortgage, so totally I need at least 5 years to reach FIRE, around 2023. I will be around 43 years old and wife will be about 38 years old. My wife is on board and she is willing to work for a few additional years to 2028. Hopefully her pay can cover the living expenses between 2023 to 2028. The investment should be able to reach 1.5 M in 2028 and it should be able to generate 60k per year before she retires.
Please provide some input and let me know if any optimization can be done to my FIRE plan. Thank you!
Just want to provide a five years update. Networth reached 2.15 million (1.8m investment, 0.35m house equity), but not retiring as planned due to the high inflation and upcoming college cost in 5-10 years. I plan to save up to 3-4 million to give myself more wiggle room. It has been very tough during COVID. Both my wife and I had to stay home during 2020 without work. I explored side hustles such as food delivery and selling products online during COVID. My job is still very stressful/unstable. I plan to stay to the last day and do side hustles to pay for college cost.
You should consider new employment.
One concern I always have when someone proposes a very thin retirement is inflation. That $1million you may have in five years is really only worth about $900 thousand or less at that point because your costs will have increased by the rate of inflation.
I work in an industry where there are only 3 companies world wide. But I still was able to switch employment. It is possible. Just tap into the people you already know.I work in a very specialized field and only few companies do this kind of work. I feel like walking on thin ice for a long time.
Yes, the high inflation in the past few years pushed me to change my original goal of 1.5m to 3m-4m. Once I get to 3m-4m, my after tax account's dividends will be sufficient for my living expenses. Currently my household income is about 270k and we spend about 5k a month. I hope to reach 3m-4m in the next 3-5 years if market cooperates. I also plan to move to a cheaper country to enjoy life more after I reach my goal. I plan to sell everything once kids go to college. I can live on 1k a month in southeast Asia. I will see how things go in the next 3-5 years. I will post my updates once a while.
Is your wife on board with that plan? My wife said her family didn’t sacrifice to leave Asia (Philippines) to move back there. She’s shot down my suggestion to sell everything and travel the world. She wants the kids to always have a home base so selling our house in a HCOL are appears to be off the table.
I work in an industry where there are only 3 companies world wide. But I still was able to switch employment. It is possible. Just tap into the people you already know.
Wife wants to move close to where the kids work in the future, so we may live in a small apartment in whatever new town the kids go.
I may do some travel overseas by my own. Life has been very stressful. I studied hard in college and grad school and worked hard in my career. I feel very tired of everything. I feel I never enjoyed life truly. I took my responsibilities too seriously. I do not hate my job, but the unstable nature caused the feeling of walking on thin ice everyday. I just want to have some personal time and travel by myself. Hopefully I can reach 3m when the first kid goes to college. I need this freedom.