Controlling the unholy trinity (salt, sugar, saturated fat)

[motley]

Why do you group fats with sugar and salt?

I thought people were finally moving away from the "fat is bad idea".. Fats certainly do not belong in the same group as sugar..

Saturated fats, not all fats.

And if you have to ask......

There have been more than enough studies backing the dangers of foods high in saturated fats.

 

[ivinsfan]

Saturated fats, not all fats.

And if you have to ask......

There have been more than enough studies backing the dangers of foods high in saturated fats.

I didn't ask and I disagree..

 

[RAE]

I didn't ask and I disagree..

I agree with Ivansfan 100%. Humans have been consuming saturated fats throughout our evolutionary history, without problems. The fats to avoid are the industrially-concocted fats that come in a jug..........corn oil, soybean oil, vegetable oil, etc.. There is now a ton of research out there that talks about the dangers of consuming these industrial seed oils. These man-made oils may actually be the main driver behind heart disease. I will continue to enjoy cooking with, and eating, saturated fats without hesitation.

 

[bloom2708]

I agree with Ivansfan 100%. Humans have been consuming saturated fats throughout our evolutionary history, without problems. The fats to avoid are the industrially-concocted fats that come in a jug..........corn oil, soybean oil, vegetable oil, etc.. There is now a ton of research out there that talks about the dangers of consuming these industrial seed oils. These man-made oils may actually be the main driver behind heart disease. I will continue to enjoy cooking with, and eating, saturated fats without hesitation.

Of course, when the life expectancy was 35-40, things were different. Something else killed you first. Now, the fat, cholesterol and oils have time to fully kick in. Heart disease is the #1 killer. Diabetes #2. Death tells the story.

Ever notice how things "catch up to you" in 50s, 60s, come to a head in late 60s and early 70s? Most dead people do, but too late.

Tons of research pointing to avoid saturated fat, trans fat and dietary cholesterol. Yes, eating cholesterol raises your cholesterol. Many many studies prove that out. Except for studies funded by cholesterol laden food producers.This was known in 1910. Much earlier likely.

Eat more whole plant foods.

 

[RAE]

Of course, when the life expectancy was 35-40, things were different. Something else killed you first. Now, the fat, cholesterol and oils have time to fully kick in. Heart disease is the #1 killer. Diabetes #2. Death tells the story.

Ever notice how things "catch up to you" in 50s, 60s, come to a head in late 60s and early 70s? Most dead people do, but too late.

Tons of research pointing to avoid saturated fat, trans fat and dietary cholesterol. Yes, eating cholesterol raises your cholesterol. Many many studies prove that out. Except for studies funded by cholesterol laden food producers.This was known in 1910. Much earlier likely.

Eat more whole plant foods.

We'll have to agree to disagree, at least on most of this. I do agree with you about eating whole plant foods (and whole foods, in general). Ultra-processed foods are what is contributing to the increased in chronic diseases we see today (diabetes, heart disease, etc).......not saturated fat. I personally eat a lot of whole plant foods, a fair amount of protein (most of which comes from either wild game meat, or meat that I buy from local farmers), and some carbs from things like potatoes, sweet potatoes, etc.. In case you still have an open mind, here is a link to an article you may want to look at. Chris Kresser has written extensively about saturated fat and heart disease, and has reviewed all of the studies, and the evidence that saturated fat consumption is associated with heart disease is simply not there: https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/ And here is a link to to something else that may be of interest: https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111


Finally, here is a link to how industrial seed oils are made, and why they are making us sick: https://wizard.to/health/how-industrial-seed-oils-are-making-us-sick/

 

[braumeister]

Saturated fats, not all fats.

WADR, raking up an old, contentious thread that died over three years ago to revive an argument that has gone through every permutation under the sun is rarely a good idea.

 

[bloom2708]

We'll have to agree to disagree, at least on most of this. I do agree with you about eating whole plant foods (and whole foods, in general). Ultra-processed foods are what is contributing to the increased in chronic diseases we see today (diabetes, heart disease, etc).......not saturated fat. I personally eat a lot of whole plant foods, a fair amount of protein (most of which comes from either wild game meat, or meat that I buy from local farmers), and some carbs from things like potatoes, sweet potatoes, etc.. In case you still have an open mind, here is a link to an article you may want to look at. Chris Kresser has written extensively about saturated fat and heart disease, and has reviewed all of the studies, and the evidence that saturated fat consumption is associated with heart disease is simply not there: https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/ And here is a link to to something else that may be of interest: https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111


Finally, here is a link to how industrial seed oils are made, and why they are making us sick: https://wizard.to/health/how-industrial-seed-oils-are-making-us-sick/

Yes. I can view your sources. I'm sure you don't want my sources.

Anyone can find anything to support some point of view. It is incredibly sad for the majority of people. We've never been sicker.

All I know is 10% get enough fiber. 90% primarily eat meat, cheese, dairy, milk and eggs for virtually every meal. 10% eat enough fruits and vegetables.

It isn't working. People want a pill and then keep doing what they are doing. We are sold lies like "low fat, lean chicken". Now chicken is by far the most popular meat. People have never been sicker. The hormones and antiobiotics required to get a chicken to eating size in 4 weeks is something. People eat that.

Keto and eat all the meat and cheese you want diets is bad for everyone. Of course people will pick that if they can.

All people can do is observe, read, research and do the best. If you are on 4-5 medications right now, you can bet it isn't working. I'll just read from this point. Good luck everyone. It is a jungle out there.

 

[Gumby]

Moderator note: Diet evangelism threads rarely change anyone's mind and often end in acrimony (and deleted posts), so I would advise stopping now.

 

[FloridaJim57]

I don't like people who make rocket science out of eating. My rules are pretty simple: I never sprinkle salt over anything; I do not drink soda, alcohol, or any soft drinks like iced tea that has sugar added; I do not eat candy or desert of any type (and I mean never); I eat all the eggs I want because I like them and I am going to die some day anyway; I don't eat bacon or cold cuts such as bologne; I eat beef about three times a week because I like cheeseburgers; I try to stay away from white flour but if you are eating a hamburger out, what's a guy to do about the roll? I eat it.

 

[motley]

We'll have to agree to disagree, at least on most of this. I do agree with you about eating whole plant foods (and whole foods, in general). Ultra-processed foods are what is contributing to the increased in chronic diseases we see today (diabetes, heart disease, etc).......not saturated fat. I personally eat a lot of whole plant foods, a fair amount of protein (most of which comes from either wild game meat, or meat that I buy from local farmers), and some carbs from things like potatoes, sweet potatoes, etc.. In case you still have an open mind, here is a link to an article you may want to look at. Chris Kresser has written extensively about saturated fat and heart disease, and has reviewed all of the studies, and the evidence that saturated fat consumption is associated with heart disease is simply not there: https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/ And here is a link to to something else that may be of interest: https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111


Finally, here is a link to how industrial seed oils are made, and why they are making us sick: https://wizard.to/health/how-industrial-seed-oils-are-making-us-sick/

Chris Kresser is an American acupuncturist, anti-flu vaxxer, cholesterol denialist and promoter of his own version of the paleo diet. Kresser has made a number of dangerous health suggestions. For example, he has argued against flu vaccination and recommends that pregnant mothers drink raw milk and skip the vitamin K shot for their newborns.

I think the corporate industry conspiracy theories also speak for themselves...

 

[motley]

WADR, raking up an old, contentious thread that died over three years ago to revive an argument that has gone through every permutation under the sun is rarely a good idea.

No idea what "WADR" is and the thread's age is irrelevant as the topic remains relevant...just thought some might like to still talk about what is IMO an important topic. If not, fine.

 

[braumeister]

No idea what "WADR" is and the thread's age is irrelevant as the topic remains relevant...just thought some might like to still talk about what is IMO an important topic. If not, fine.

WADR means "with all due respect", and I recommend looking at post #108 again.

 

[DrRoy]

I most severely limit salt, then sugar, and to a lesser degree saturated fat.

 

[RAE]

If you are on 4-5 medications right now, you can bet it isn't working.

Just to follow up on this, I am on ZERO prescription meds, and my health is great at age 69. Apparently consuming saturated fats has not done any harm to me. I avoid all of the man-made industrial seed oils, and have been doing so for many years. Good health to you..........

 

[FloridaJim57]

Please clarify

Just to follow up on this, I am on ZERO prescription meds, and my health is great at age 69. Apparently consuming saturated fats has not done any harm to me. I avoid all of the man-made industrial seed oils, and have been doing so for many years. Good health to you..........

May I ask what do you mean by industrial seed oils? I am not familiar with the term.

 

[RAE]

Industrial seed oils are man-made oils that are manufactured using a chemical/heat extraction process. They include: soybean oil, vegetable oil, corn oil, canola oil, and several others. Humans have never consumed man-made oils like this, in our evolutionary history. If you watch a video on how these industrial oils are made, it will make you sick. They originated when the cotton industry was trying to figure out what to do with cotton seeds (rather than dispose of them) many decades ago. Cottonseed oil was then produced, and was first used as a lamp oil, but eventually they decided that similar oils could potentially be sold as food products. Here are a couple of links that will provide much more information. I got rid of all of these oils from my house over a decade ago, and will never consume them again. I believe they are a major contributor to several of the chronic diseases that plague us today, including heart disease.


https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articl...cle_b1463246-fb97-11eb-b0e5-6f3b10e9a2cb.html


https://medium.com/@EnglishTemplar/...ady-rise-of-industrial-seed-oils-99a695f5cfc6


https://camillestyles.com/wellness/industrial-seed-oils/

 

[RetiredHappy]

Nothing wrong with canola oil as long as you look for cold pressed ones. It has higher smoke point as well as having the good fats.

 

[teej1985]

Industrial seed oils are man-made oils that are manufactured using a chemical/heat extraction process. They include: soybean oil, vegetable oil, corn oil, canola oil, and several others. Humans have never consumed man-made oils like this, in our evolutionary history. If you watch a video on how these industrial oils are made, it will make you sick. They originated when the cotton industry was trying to figure out what to do with cotton seeds (rather than dispose of them) many decades ago. Cottonseed oil was then produced, and was first used as a lamp oil, but eventually they decided that similar oils could potentially be sold as food products. Here are a couple of links that will provide much more information. I got rid of all of these oils from my house over a decade ago, and will never consume them again. I believe they are a major contributor to several of the chronic diseases that plague us today, including heart disease.


https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articl...cle_b1463246-fb97-11eb-b0e5-6f3b10e9a2cb.html


https://medium.com/@EnglishTemplar/...ady-rise-of-industrial-seed-oils-99a695f5cfc6


https://camillestyles.com/wellness/industrial-seed-oils/

So basically olive oil is ok, other oils not so much?

 

[RetiredHappy]

So basically olive oil is ok, other oils not so much?

You cannot cook/fry with olive oil because it has low smoke point. At high temperature, you are effectively eating poison.

 

[youbet]

Is olive oil OK for high heat cooking?
Extra virgin olive oil is the most stable oil to cook with and can be heated as high as 400 F (deep frying occurs at 350-375 F). Even when heated past its smoke point, virgin olive oils produce low levels of harmful compounds due to the high antioxidant content in the oil.

https://www.realsimple.com/food-rec... stable oil to,antioxidant content in the oil.

 

[EastWest Gal]

I agree with Ivansfan 100%. Humans have been consuming saturated fats throughout our evolutionary history, without problems. The fats to avoid are the industrially-concocted fats that come in a jug..........corn oil, soybean oil, vegetable oil, etc.. There is now a ton of research out there that talks about the dangers of consuming these industrial seed oils. These man-made oils may actually be the main driver behind heart disease. I will continue to enjoy cooking with, and eating, saturated fats without hesitation.

I agree with you. I consume natural fats-from my meats and dairy in my diet and olive and avocado oil-cold pressed.

I stopped all industrial extracted seed oils years ago. With my dietary changes my cholesterol went from over 200 to 166, and my triglycerides have been very low for years.