Covid Vaccine Distribution

[Music Lover]

OK, I fear I'm going to regret this, but...

Can you cite a source? I couldn't find anything about this.

I'm not going to comment on what the media deems newsworthy, yet if correct testing procedures are adapted then positive cases will plummet starting now.

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

The problem with false positives has been around for months, but yet they waited until Jan 20 to advise that testing procedures should be changed??:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-fda-test-idUSKBN27J2K6

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...e-high-due-to-too-sensitive-tests/ar-BB18wE8B

Dr. Fauci in July:

July 16, 2020, podcast, “This Week in Virology”: Tony Fauci makes a point of saying the PCR COVID test is useless and misleading when the test is run at “35 cycles or higher.” A positive result, indicating infection, cannot be accepted or believed:

https://anti-empire.com/fauci-himse...er-35-cycles-is-deceitful-worse-than-useless/

 

[audreyh1]

DW and I both received the first Moderna shot this morning at a mass vaccination site. We were told when we made the appointment to not get out of our car and come to the door until 5 minutes prior to our appointment time. We arrived in the parking lot 15 minutes early and while waiting, a security guard came to tell us they were running ahead of schedule and we could go inside.

A really well-run operation vaccinating more than 100 people an hour. We were in and out in less than 30 minutes, including waiting 15 minutes after the injection (which I didn't even feel).

We both have an appointment to get the second dose in 28 days.

Awesome!

DH didn’t feel the injection either.

 

[Boho]

I'm not going to comment on what the media deems newsworthy, yet if correct testing procedures are adapted then positive cases will plummet starting now.

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

That says "Description of the problem: WHO requests users to follow the instructions for use." Sounds like the instructions were good and WHO did take action to remind people to follow them. You made it sound like WHO's fault when you wrote "WHO just changed the testing parameters to prevent false positives, even though they've known about the problem for several months."

The problem with false positives has been around for months, but yet they waited until Jan 20 to advise that testing procedures should be changed??:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-fda-test-idUSKBN27J2K6

Again, that says "false positive results may occur when users do not follow the instructions." The instructions were good and WHO reminded people to follow them.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...e-high-due-to-too-sensitive-tests/ar-BB18wE8B

That references a NYT article that says:

In what may be a step in this direction, the Trump administration announced on Thursday that it would purchase 150 million rapid tests.
…
The Food and Drug Administration said in an emailed statement that it does not specify the cycle threshold ranges used to determine who is positive, and that “commercial manufacturers and laboratories set their own.”

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said it is examining the use of cycle threshold measures “for policy decisions.” The agency said it would need to collaborate with the F.D.A. and with device manufacturers to ensure the measures “can be used properly and with assurance that we know what they mean.”

So, action was taken. No scandal there.

 

[Popeye]

That's just another layer of trouble. my friend had a gmail account , load the account on your phone and he has one. check your notifications and texts. In this case the waitlists are dumped after two days of vaccine clinics. It's not that hard to do for two days.

Not another layer, more of a parallel path. Just add a field for an email address and the notification goes to your friend and also to you for example. One quick call and you’ll know he’s seen it.

 

[Music Lover]

So, action was taken.

Yup, action was taken, and after months of false positives that everyone knew about the tests will now performed correctly. Numbers will drop, lockdowns will be eased (already in progress), and everyone will be happy.

It's all good.

 

[ivinsfan]

I'm not going to comment on what the media deems newsworthy, yet if correct testing procedures are adapted then positive cases will plummet starting now.

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

The problem with false positives has been around for months, but yet they waited until Jan 20 to advise that testing procedures should be changed??:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-fda-test-idUSKBN27J2K6

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...e-high-due-to-too-sensitive-tests/ar-BB18wE8B

Dr. Fauci in July:

July 16, 2020, podcast, “This Week in Virology”: Tony Fauci makes a point of saying the PCR COVID test is useless and misleading when the test is run at “35 cycles or higher.” A positive result, indicating infection, cannot be accepted or believed:

https://anti-empire.com/fauci-himse...er-35-cycles-is-deceitful-worse-than-useless/

Not one word of this post has to with Vaccine or how to get a Vaccine...how about starting your very own thread?

 

[Boho]

Yup, action was taken, and after months of false positives that everyone knew about the tests will now performed correctly. Numbers will drop, lockdowns will be eased (already in progress), and everyone will be happy.

It's all good.

The CDC immediately started "examining the use of cycle threshold measures 'for policy decisions'" when it gained knowledge of the problem. Yes, the tests worked the same way once the issue was found but at least that one agency seemed to handle it well.

Maybe it's a case of bad reporting and someone else is at fault. Like, I guess the test was approved by an agency from the start and maybe the agency should have done a better job. And maybe local agencies didn't adequately consider the misleading test results. And maybe the maker of the test is at fault. The articles don't really go into that.

 

[ivinsfan]

Not another layer, more of a parallel path. Just add a field for an email address and the notification goes to your friend and also to you for example. One quick call and you’ll know he’s seen it.

Well in my case he's a fully functional person and I'm not going to babysit him. I could see where is might be useful for a parent or someone older.

I helped him get on the waitlist because his eyesight isn't the best and he doesn't have a desktop monitor. He's capable of reading emails and texts. Actually the clinic said email and phone contact would go with the waitlist.

 

[fh2000]

I received my first dose of vaccine today in Cal State Northridge facility. It was a well organized operation. I talked to few volunteers who directed traffic, and hold cars for 15 minute wait after. There are at least 100 volunteers and nurses there though they only administer 2000 each day. Many are there all day every day. I truly appreciate their dedication and hard work.

I wish they could do more or move faster so we can get all of Los Angeles county completed as early as we can. Per current speed, the county officials said it will take us till June of 2022 to finish all citizens.

 

[Calico]

DW and I both received the first Moderna shot this morning at a mass vaccination site. We were told when we made the appointment to not get out of our car and come to the door until 5 minutes prior to our appointment time. We arrived in the parking lot 15 minutes early and while waiting, a security guard came to tell us they were running ahead of schedule and we could go inside.

A really well-run operation vaccinating more than 100 people an hour. We were in and out in less than 30 minutes, including waiting 15 minutes after the injection (which I didn't even feel).

We both have an appointment to get the second dose in 28 days.

That's excellent news! Very happy for you.

 

[GenXguy]

The pledge was 100M Americans vaccinated in 100 days, not sure if that includes the second shot.

I think it depends who you ask and when you ask them. lol

On CBS Sunday Morning, Fauci said it was 100 million people vaccinated in the first 100 days for both the primary and boost. It's pretty clear at this point in his interview with Koppel:

https://youtu.be/S88_IByZsDM?t=517

And then... "Dr. Anthony Fauci said Sunday that President Joe Biden’s goal of administering 100 million vaccinations in the first 100 days actually means about 67 million Americans should be protected from COVID-19 during that time."

https://time.com/5933081/fauci-covid-19-vaccine/

According to The Washington Post, modeling from Mr. Biden's transition team showed 100 million shots means roughly 33 million people would be fully vaccinated, and 67 million would be fully or partially immunized, as both vaccines developed by Pfizer, with Germany's BioNTech, and Moderna require two doses.

 

[travelover]

Our county just announced that vaccinations will be given at a local fairgrounds starting Tuesday, with a website to sign up. I went to the web site and it says no appointments available for any month this year. SNAFU

 

[zinger1457]

I think it depends who you ask and when you ask them. lol

Yes, some of the news articles I initially read stated 100M people but it keeps getting clarified, I'm sure at day 100 they'll come out and tell us exactly what they meant.

 

[MuirWannabe]

https://apple.news/AA-v1Fs7kSVWYinp8b4_bIw

Kind of good news/bad news. But hopefully mostly good news. Moderna vaccine protects against UK and S. Africa variant. But diminished efficacy against S. Africa variant. They may develop a 3rd dose to extend effectiveness.

 

[Midpack]

Our county just announced that vaccinations will be given at a local fairgrounds starting Tuesday, with a website to sign up. I went to the web site and it says no appointments available for any month this year. SNAFU

Same thing in my county in NC. It's a complete circus so far, but I'm sure demand if OVERWHELMING! Online registration wouldn't work, and I've been on phone hold for 45 minutes and counting...

 

[Ian S]

https://apple.news/AA-v1Fs7kSVWYinp8b4_bIw

Kind of good news/bad news. But hopefully mostly good news. Moderna vaccine protects against UK and S. Africa variant. But diminished efficacy against S. Africa variant. They may develop a 3rd dose to extend effectiveness.

This is not unexpected and, IIRC, the good thing about the mRNA vaccines is that they can be tweaked pretty quickly. Also, it appears that the vaccines will still provide significant protection even against the new variants. So maybe more people get sick even though vaccinated but perhaps the consequences are far less dire. It's imperative to get as many people vaccinated as possible while continuing other measures to reduce the spread because reducing the spread not only means fewer infected but also a reducion of the opportunity for the virus to mutate. It really is a two-fer.

Thankfully, we have the vaccines and don't have to rely on the "stand back and let 'er rip" approach to gaining herd immunity. Apparently, the vaccines provide much stronger protection than provided by coming down with the disease itself. Letting the disease run rampant would have meant far more rapid mutation to forms of the virus that would have likely been capable of causing serious even deadly disease in folks who already had been infected and recovered.

 

[Ian S]

The number of potential vaccines is reduced as Merck bows out: https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/25...two-covid-19-vaccines-and-focus-on-therapies/

Hope we're not due for more disappointments along those lines. One worry I would have in light of the virus mutations is how quickly can the non-mRNA vaccines be adjusted to accommodate the mutations? If it takes an excessively long time, then those types of vaccines may not be successful over the long haul.

 

[Ian S]

Yes, some of the news articles I initially read stated 100M people but it keeps getting clarified, I'm sure at day 100 they'll come out and tell us exactly what they meant.

I think at the rate things are going, the 100 million in 100 days will quite possibly be a case of under-promising and over-delivering.

 

[NameTaken2]

It's the Wild West here. No appt's available, no single website providing the vaccine location options and contact info for your geographic area.

 

[foxfirev5]

DW got a tip from a former coworker that her former employer hospital is giving out shots to healthcare retirees. She is under 65 and retired 8 years ago. I'm not sure that was the original intent of the program but never the less she gets her shot 9AM tomorrow morning. Her phone call to the right number took 2 minutes. Some things never change.

 

[skipro33]

The pledge was 100M Americans vaccinated in 100 days, not sure if that includes the second shot.

You are not vaccinated until you have been given the full 2 doses. One dose is not considered being vaccinated. Trust the science. Come on man!

 

[Chuckanut]

You are not vaccinated until you have been given the full 2 doses. One dose is not considered being vaccinated. Trust the science. Come on man!

+1

Based upon what I have read, the powers-that-be figure that one dose will help slow down the rate of spread, so I guess that's a small short-term win. But, we really need both doses to eventually stop this thing and reduce it to a lower level inconvenience rather than a pandemic. There might even be future booster doses for a few more years.

The big fear is that people given one dose will act like they are immune and not get the 2nd dose, thus causing the virus to hang on, mutate, and keep on coming for us. I think that fear is overstated, as is the fear of tens of millions of citizens refusing the vaccine. My fear is a lack of vaccine and the system to get it to the citizens on a timely basis.

 

[aaronc879]

Wow - a crazy crazy day!!!

But DH got his first Pfizer vaccine dose!!!!!

I was just finishing up some lunch prep at 2:15pm when DH discovered that he had gotten an email from UTRGV at 11:35am this morning notifying him to come to their facility in Mercedes TX between 1 and 3pm to get the vaccine "until supplies run out". He didn't see the email until 2:15pm. We had barely enough time to make it to Mercedes before 3pm. Threw stuff in the fridge and took off.

This town is 35 miles away. We got there at 2:55pm expecting nada. But - there was still a line outside, moving very slowly. As it turned out - other people were told to come between 3 and 5, so they had just been allocating time slots. We waited outside about an hour and a half. And then a couple of registration steps inside which took another 20 mins or so, vaccine, then wait 30 minutes for any reaction.

Waiting outside was fine, people were reasonable spaced, weather was good, sunny, light breeze. I thought it was a bit too crowded inside, but they did space us out and keep the doors open. Everyone completely masked, of course. I got to stay with DH during most of it. Long long drive, long long wait, but so worth it! DH has an appointment for the 2nd dose.

UTRGV said they are getting about 24 hour notice these days when vaccines are coming, and they arrive with an armed escort!

I'm not yet eligible being 61 with no comorbidities that are in the TX list.

I would rather take my chances than stand outside for 1.5 hours in Jan/Feb here in Wisconsin. Glad it works out for those of you down south though.

 

[audreyh1]

I would rather take my chances than stand outside for 1.5 hours in Jan/Feb here in Wisconsin. Glad it works out for those of you down south though.

Yeah - it was upper 70s and sunny with a brisk breeze. Pretty common Jan weather way down here.

 

[REWahoo]

Wow - a crazy crazy day!!!

But DH got his first Pfizer vaccine dose!!!!!

Just saw this, good for him!

Yes, sounds like a PITA but that appears to be par for the course almost everywhere. You have to jump through some hoops and/or put up with some type of inconvenience to get something that's still scarce.