Tykimeister
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Hello, I have had a county government job for the past 11 years and I am probably going to leave this employment soon. I have been vested since 5 years of service. I am not sure if I should leave my money in with the pension program or if I should roll it over into an IRA or other financial product. I have ran the numbers and I think I am better off taking it out, due to my age and investment approach. But I would kindly like to ask if someone can look this over and let me know if I am missing something…
This is peanuts compared to some, but for me I want to make the best financial decision, even if it isn’t so significant.
The pension program is a 401 (a) defined benefit plan. I get a tax break, the money contributed lowers my taxable income. I put 6% of my earning in and the County contribution changes yearly based on legislation, currently at 9%. The balance in my account only shows what I put in, the County contribution is put into the pool.
Now I wanted to calculate what my money would do if I take it out and invest it myself in a traditional IRA. I already have a Roth IRA, but irrelevant for calculating this scenario (I think). I calculated what my balance alone would grow to, without putting any money into it. The same as if I were to keep the balance with the pension program but quit working here. I used different percentage of returns.
My thinking is, if I take my money out of the pension program and invest it at only 6% for the next roughly 25 years, I will come out ahead $8,085 annually vs. $5,280 annually. And that is with forfeiting the County contributions for the past 11 years since I take my balance out of the pension program. I know 6% is conservative at my age 34, and I can likely do much better than that, hence why I added 8% and 10% calculations. But also, at age 60 I will not be earning %10 interest due to age and I will be more conservative. But to get a general idea of growth, it seems I am stupid to leave the money in the pension program.
Another few ideas. If I take the money out and invest it like this, my balance will always be mine and the interest will be better than what the county will pay me. If I stay with the pension program they will take my balance first then use the pool. This means no money left over to give to beneficiaries. There are living spouse options in the pension plan but I am not married and have no kids.
Another Idea, there is the fear that government runs out of money, stops funding the pension, makes you work longer, reduce benefits, etc. So taking the money out can help in that respect. I believe in the state of Kansas they are having issues with funding their pension plans.
I invest most my money in SP 500, but will look things over before making any decisions. Does this rational sound about right or are there major considerations that I am not grasping? All the calculations do factor in compounding interest. I do have a spread sheet if that will help. I suppose there is a chance I can end up working some place that uses the state pension program later in life. But for now I think I will likely move to a different state.
If anyone has some advice please let me know!
This is peanuts compared to some, but for me I want to make the best financial decision, even if it isn’t so significant.
The pension program is a 401 (a) defined benefit plan. I get a tax break, the money contributed lowers my taxable income. I put 6% of my earning in and the County contribution changes yearly based on legislation, currently at 9%. The balance in my account only shows what I put in, the County contribution is put into the pool.
- I am 34 years of age
- I can retire with full benefits at 60 with 37 years of service for $2,379 monthly $28,548 yearly
- If I quit at 11 years of service and receive my benefit at age 60 I will get $440 a month $5,280 yearly
- There is an option for early retirement at 55 with reduced benefits but the reduction is too great to consider.
- The current balance in my account is $31,397
- I will forfeit the County contribution that is in the pool, unknown total anyways, if I take it out
- The balance will earn 4% annually if I keep it there
- Once you start receiving a benefit the payments come from your account first, until zero, then your benefit comes from the pool.
- I will roll it into a new product so I will not have to pay the 10% penalty(from what I understand)
Now I wanted to calculate what my money would do if I take it out and invest it myself in a traditional IRA. I already have a Roth IRA, but irrelevant for calculating this scenario (I think). I calculated what my balance alone would grow to, without putting any money into it. The same as if I were to keep the balance with the pension program but quit working here. I used different percentage of returns.
- 6% interest, from age 34 to 60, with starting balance $31397 = $142,837, ~$8,085 interest annually thereafter
- 8% interest, from age 34 to 60, with starting balance $31397 = $232,223, ~$17,201 interest annually thereafter
- 10% interest, from age 34 to 60, with starting balance $31397 = $374,195, ~$34,017 interest annually thereafter
My thinking is, if I take my money out of the pension program and invest it at only 6% for the next roughly 25 years, I will come out ahead $8,085 annually vs. $5,280 annually. And that is with forfeiting the County contributions for the past 11 years since I take my balance out of the pension program. I know 6% is conservative at my age 34, and I can likely do much better than that, hence why I added 8% and 10% calculations. But also, at age 60 I will not be earning %10 interest due to age and I will be more conservative. But to get a general idea of growth, it seems I am stupid to leave the money in the pension program.
Another few ideas. If I take the money out and invest it like this, my balance will always be mine and the interest will be better than what the county will pay me. If I stay with the pension program they will take my balance first then use the pool. This means no money left over to give to beneficiaries. There are living spouse options in the pension plan but I am not married and have no kids.
Another Idea, there is the fear that government runs out of money, stops funding the pension, makes you work longer, reduce benefits, etc. So taking the money out can help in that respect. I believe in the state of Kansas they are having issues with funding their pension plans.
I invest most my money in SP 500, but will look things over before making any decisions. Does this rational sound about right or are there major considerations that I am not grasping? All the calculations do factor in compounding interest. I do have a spread sheet if that will help. I suppose there is a chance I can end up working some place that uses the state pension program later in life. But for now I think I will likely move to a different state.
If anyone has some advice please let me know!
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