mathjak107
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after reading a lot on the work of corey hoffstein i decided to try what is called a leveraged 60/40 risk parity portfolio.
the one i am experimenting with is called the carolina reaper , after the worlds hottest pepper.
it works by using leveraged etfs .
so if we have a dollar , we put
.20 cents in upro 3x equity
.13 cents in tyd 3x bonds .
that now has the weight of a 60/40 . yet we still have .67 cents left to use to hedge
we then put .67 cents in the managed futures etf dbmf to hedge with short and long positions.
just went as far back with these funds as i could in portfolio visualizer. first time running it myself .
i was able to go back to jan 2020 , so almost 4 years , including the covid sell off
a 60/40 consisting of 60% voo (s&p fund )and 40% bnd ( total bond fund ) took 100k and turned it in to 126,130 , a cagr of 6.11%
the 60/40 carolina reaper took a 100k grew it to 136,260 ,a cagr of 8.22%
BUT GET THIS
WORST DOWN YEAR WAS MINUS 2.57% for the reaper with a worst draw down of 9.45%
the conventional 60/40 had a worst year of minus 16.16 % and a worst draw down of 20.15%
HOLY CRAP , WHAT A DIFFERENCE .
Boy this is showing a lot of promise as we went thru some awful times as well as high inflation and rising rates.
it really wants to compel one to go whole hog but i don’t have the balls yet. lol
but it certainly looked like that magical portfolio we all dream about if we don’t want 100% equities
i mean down a mere 2.57% …that’s incredible while a 60/40 was down 16.16% , yet beat it by over 2% in gains
keep in mind these returns include all expenses and these leveraged funds are not anywhere near as cheap as voo or bnd .
so like i always say , there is so much more when portfolios are involved then lowest costs of the individual components
that was vanguard marketing brainwashing investors.
expenses
dbmf .85% , upro .92 tyd 1.1%
voo .03. bnd .03
yet including all expenses the reaper not only averaged more then 2% a year more but was lower risk in every respect
yet how often here is the advice to buy low cost index funds as the primary criteria or only criteria … so marketing vs real life can be very different.
any way i threw 50k in this as a test which is enough to keep it interesting but not enough to do real damage .
i want to test drive this before making it a core holding and committing serious dollars .
so far it has been pretty docile even on days where these funds individually swung 5% . lots of yin and yang going on with the managed futures
here is some info on this model
https://www.riskparitychronicles.com/testing-three-variations-of-a-leveraged-60-40/
the one i am experimenting with is called the carolina reaper , after the worlds hottest pepper.
it works by using leveraged etfs .
so if we have a dollar , we put
.20 cents in upro 3x equity
.13 cents in tyd 3x bonds .
that now has the weight of a 60/40 . yet we still have .67 cents left to use to hedge
we then put .67 cents in the managed futures etf dbmf to hedge with short and long positions.
just went as far back with these funds as i could in portfolio visualizer. first time running it myself .
i was able to go back to jan 2020 , so almost 4 years , including the covid sell off
a 60/40 consisting of 60% voo (s&p fund )and 40% bnd ( total bond fund ) took 100k and turned it in to 126,130 , a cagr of 6.11%
the 60/40 carolina reaper took a 100k grew it to 136,260 ,a cagr of 8.22%
BUT GET THIS
WORST DOWN YEAR WAS MINUS 2.57% for the reaper with a worst draw down of 9.45%
the conventional 60/40 had a worst year of minus 16.16 % and a worst draw down of 20.15%
HOLY CRAP , WHAT A DIFFERENCE .
Boy this is showing a lot of promise as we went thru some awful times as well as high inflation and rising rates.
it really wants to compel one to go whole hog but i don’t have the balls yet. lol
but it certainly looked like that magical portfolio we all dream about if we don’t want 100% equities
i mean down a mere 2.57% …that’s incredible while a 60/40 was down 16.16% , yet beat it by over 2% in gains
keep in mind these returns include all expenses and these leveraged funds are not anywhere near as cheap as voo or bnd .
so like i always say , there is so much more when portfolios are involved then lowest costs of the individual components
that was vanguard marketing brainwashing investors.
expenses
dbmf .85% , upro .92 tyd 1.1%
voo .03. bnd .03
yet including all expenses the reaper not only averaged more then 2% a year more but was lower risk in every respect
yet how often here is the advice to buy low cost index funds as the primary criteria or only criteria … so marketing vs real life can be very different.
any way i threw 50k in this as a test which is enough to keep it interesting but not enough to do real damage .
i want to test drive this before making it a core holding and committing serious dollars .
so far it has been pretty docile even on days where these funds individually swung 5% . lots of yin and yang going on with the managed futures
here is some info on this model
https://www.riskparitychronicles.com/testing-three-variations-of-a-leveraged-60-40/
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