azanon said:I'm not going to read the article
Cool! You're a zealot nut too!!
azanon said:I'm not going to read the article
Cool! You're a zealot nut too!!
JWR1945 said:I am seeing a lot of arrogance and ignorance. People should not be surprised to learn that the gods that they create out of their own imaginations do not exist.
Actually looking into the facts, the evidence is overwhelming: Michael is right.
Have fun.
John Russell
Laurence said:I posted a link to an article on Einstien's view on faith and his personal views and beliefs on God in a last attempt at having the conversation take the high road. But the sharks have smelled blood, and the feeding frenzy cannot be halted. Religious threads almost always turn ugly, and this one has descended to name calling and a cathartic beat down session for those who feel wronged by the country's predominant faith. The primary emotional motivation seems to be not against some one's personal faith, but the intolerance some have experienced for not agreeing with that faith. It's just a shame that the result is an equally intolerant thread. Some, in fact, are presenting a very strong case for the side they claim to oppose! I would ask that if nothing else, we try to avoid stereotypes and clumping people into one neat definitition. Whether a Christian or a Humanist, both should agree on respecting another's opinion and their right to act and believe freely.
azanon said:I would think my not reading these types of things would make me anything but a zealot. Besides, an agnostic is the antithesis to zealotry.
Laurence said:The writings of Stephen Hawking have probably done more to reinforce my views than the Bible has.
eh, one story is as good as another, right? Seriously, I'm quite sure many Christians would see me as a heretic, but long story short is there is a difference between the truth and Truth. Aesop's fables are a simplistic version of this notion. It's not what happened to the particular characters but the greater truth that is being revealed. The Gospels are the books I come closest to reading literally, and genisis the furthest from. I won't bore you to tears on why, it involves style of writing, original language, what tribes wrote which histories etc.wabmester said:That seems like quite a leap. I can understand you deciding that there's some intelligent force at work in the universe, but how does that get you to an anthropomorphic god who has a human son who gets killed for the future sins of mankind?
Laurence said:It's not what happened to the particular characters but the greater truth that is being revealed.
wabmester said:Ah. Well, if you haven't already, you might want to check out the Talmud. As Einstein said (paraphrasing): if you leave out all that stuff about Jesus being the son of God, then he was really just a good Jew.
Yes, us humans are not perfect.
I believe that the Christian doctrine is simple at its heart: If you truly believe in God/Jesus as Lord and Savior, you will be saved and go to heaven.
good = those who will be saved
earn way into heaven = accept God's gift of salvation through faith
Okay. Tell me what specifically anyone liked about this article. I started reading it when Laurence origninally posted it and found it so absent of any valid facts that I couldn't get through it. After Greg's endorsement, I tried to read it again. It reads like an informercial to me. Lot's of details that don't seem to get to a point. I don't get it. What was the point of the article? what is the thesis the author of the article is trying to push?Apocalypse . . .um . . .SOON said:Laurence: I liked the Enstein article you posted alot. Spot on. Thanks.
--Greg
((^+^)) SG said:Okay. Tell me what specifically anyone liked about this article. I started reading it when Laurence origninally posted it and found it so absent of any valid facts that I couldn't get through it. After Greg's endorsement, I tried to read it again. It reads like an informercial to me. Lot's of details that don't seem to get to a point. I don't get it. What was the point of the article? what is the thesis the author of the article is trying to push?
Thanks.
azanon said:I dont like literature on aliens from other planets nor do i read the National Enquirer.