Heck no, but your company may decide that it is reasonable to slash that benefit.maybe it is too early to know but does anyone understand how this new plan will impact the need for retirement HC benefits? I'm eligible when I retire, but will Obamacare make it obsolete? thx
donheff said:Heck no, but your company may decide that it is reasonable to slash that benefit.
The PPACA actually includes incentives for companies to continue their retiree medical coverage. The intent is to keep the coverage available for older workers who have retired but are not yet Medicare eligible.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/reinsurance_early_retirees_fact_sheet.pdf
The program provides subsidized to employers for retiree coverage until the health insurance exchanges and subsidy system is up and running, at which time the retires will be able to switch to guaranteed issue policies or HMO plans. Retirees with a low adjusted gross income (below 400% of the poverty level) will be eligible for subsidies at that time.
The program ends on January 1, 2014, when early retirees will be able to choose from the additional coverage options that will be available in the health insurance exchanges.
But, for some of us that may be more expensive. Right now, we are paying a little under $300 a month for family coverage. It is a high deductible plan but is probably much cheaper than what would be available through the exchanges.
Purron said:Have you run your numbers through this calculator from the Kaiser Health Foundation to see how the costs compare?
Health Reform Subsidy Calculator - Kaiser Health Reform
I think the "durability" of your individual policy will depend on what the insurance company decides is most profitable for them (since they've got nearly total control of whether they'll continue to offer your class/type of policy). If there's more money to be made by pushing you out and using the capacity to make room for somebody paying a higher individual premium (as you would be) and maybe also using the government subsidy, that's probably what will happen.. I sure hope my grandfathered policy holds strong somehow for at least 10 years.
maybe it is too early to know but does anyone understand how this new plan will impact the need for retirement HC benefits? I'm eligible when I retire, but will Obamacare make it obsolete? thx
samclem said:I think the "durability" of your individual policy will depend on what the insurance company decides is most profitable for them (since they've got nearly total control of whether they'll continue to offer your class/type of policy). If there's more money to be made by pushing you out and using the capacity to make room for somebody paying a higher individual premium (as you would be) and maybe also using the government subsidy, that's probably what will happen.
In general, this is how subsidizing the purchase of a service/product drives up its price. It's the same thing we've seen with higher education and housing (subsidized via low-cost loans). Conversely, placing artificial price caps on a product that set the price below the market level (whether it is MRIs or gasoline) will always produce a scarcity of that product. That's not a judgement of the value of this law, just an observation of how things work.
But I think we all knew this already.
Wow, some of you folks get really good deals. I assume these must be highly subsidized by your employers unlike those of us Federal employees and your elected Federal representatives in the House and Senate. I am in the allegedly gold-plated Federal Health Benefits Program and selected one of the more inexpensive standard option plans yet my out of pocket for a family plan is $2400/year. Or do you folks with low payments get lousy benefits? In that case, Obamacare is admittedly pushing you to higher benefits.Wow! I sure wish I didn't hit that link. My yearly premium would go from under $875 a year to over $5100 a year. I don't think the term affordable care act is applicable to me thats for sure. I sure hope my grandfathered policy holds strong somehow for at least 10 years.
donheff said:Wow, some of you folks get really good deals. I assume these must be highly subsidized by your employers unlike those of us Federal employees and your elected Federal representatives in the House and Senate. I am in the allegedly gold-plated Federal Health Benefits Program and selected one of the more inexpensive standard option plans yet my out of pocket for a family plan is $2400/year. Or do you folks with low payments get lousy benefits? In that case, Obamacare is admittedly pushing you to higher benefits.
Katsmeow -
It seems to me that retiree health care plans from megacorps (vs gov't employee) were never guaranteed. .....
I guess my point is - PPACA will give you options when your husbands employer stops covering retirees... but most employers seem to be dumping retiree health care anyway since it's not mandated/protected by ERISA.
Donheff, it looks like Mulligan's insurance is an unsubsidized individual plan. I think he's just healthy and lives in a place with low medical care costs. His premiums under PPACA will be subsidizing those who are unhealthy and choose to live in costlier places.Wow, some of you folks get really good deals. I assume these must be highly subsidized by your employers unlike those of us Federal employees and your elected Federal representatives in the House and Senate. .
The premiums that show up on the calculator are for the silver plan (70% actuarial value). The Bronze plan would be slightly cheaper (it has a 60% actuarial value). I don't know of anything cheaper than the Bronze plan that meets the PPACA requirements.Does this mean that will I will have to take one of the types suggested as being through the Kaiser link, or will there still be options available that might have a less expensive premium.
Mulligan said:Wow! I sure wish I didn't hit that link. My yearly premium would go from under $875 a year to over $5100 a year. I don't think the term affordable care act is applicable to me thats for sure. I sure hope my grandfathered policy holds strong somehow for at least 10 years.
samclem said:Donheff, it looks like Mulligan's insurance is an unsubsidized individual plan. I think he's just healthy and lives in a place with low medical care costs. His premiums under PPACA will be subsidizing those who are unhealthy and choose to live in costlier places.
The premiums that show up on the calculator are for the silver plan (70% actuarial value). The Bronze plan would be slightly cheaper (it has a 60% actuarial value). I don't know of anything cheaper than the Bronze plan that meets the PPACA requirements.
As some will recall, the law allows folks to claim that their religion objects to this collective government healthcare approach, and if their claim to be a member of an acceptable religion is found acceptable to the government then they won't have to pay the new tax. I'd guess members of this religion could band together and establish their own collective insurance plan/collective health care arrangement. They wouldn't get the subsidies, but I'd guess they'd be free of a lot of government requirements that drive up insurance costs. I'd bet they'd set up monthly religious pilgrimages to cities in other countries with low-cost, high-quality health care services. Charter flights to cut costs. I see a business opportunity. And some court battles.
M Paquette said:The Kaiser Family site calculator is using a nationwide average for a premium buying what they consider to be a typical plan, similar to what many people have through their employer, or roughly, the Silver plan with 70% actuarial value (plan covers roughly 70% of typical medical expenses; w wide variation in copay and max out of pocket is permitted as long as the end result is at the actuarial target.)
I think most of the high deductible HSA accounts we ER folks tend to go for are Bronze (60% actuarial value or lower), as we are the rare sort of folks who understand that paying out of pocket for routine costs, and using insurance only for catastrophic care generally has the best cost/benefit outcome for folks in good health.
The calculator cost isn't too far off for something like a $1500 deductible/$3000 max out of pocket HSA eligible plan in the Western Region, for example.
Services are held online. It's very informal. Wait until you see the "sacred text."Sam, they would arrest me on fraud on your religious idea, as they would provide video proof my car never leaves the driveway on Sunday
I haven't seen on this thread whether high deductible plans like yours will be permitted under PPACA. If not, you will pay a lot more. If they are allowed, you will probably be able to get a low cost plan (albeit with some other features like no $7M cap) -- no reason why your carrier couldn't offer one.Wow, some of you folks get really good deals. I assume these must be highly subsidized by your employers unlike those of us Federal employees and your elected Federal representatives in the House and Senate. I am in the allegedly gold-plated Federal Health Benefits Program and selected one of the more inexpensive standard option plans yet my out of pocket for a family plan is $2400/year. Or do you folks with low payments get lousy benefits? In that case, Obamacare is admittedly pushing you to higher benefits.
donheff said:I haven't seen on this thread whether high deductible plans like yours will be permitted under PPACA. If not, you will pay a lot more. If they are allowed, you will probably be able to get a low cost plan (albeit with some other features like no $7M cap) -- no reason why your carrier couldn't offer one.