Common sense is oxymoronic...
th said:
Last time I had my iq tested it was in the 170's. So much for a correlation between grades and intelligence. If you actually think IQ has much to do with actual intelligence that is...
IQ tests have too much cultural, situational, repetitional, & tester interference to be valid. When you read about their development in the early 20th century and their eugenics applications (including sterilization during incarceration) then they lose their credibility. I think they need to be administered frequently over years to even approach validity.
Our 7th grade handed out IQ tests via one-on-one interviews. One of the questions was a geometric sequence that could be figured out iteratively yet had so many steps that it would have taken an hour and a tablet of graph paper. But it just so happened that the day before the test our math teacher had covered the formula for that particular geometric progression, which I still remembered and applied for the correct answer. The tester was stunned. She was even more stunned when the next 10 test-takers (from the same math class) also got it right.
My number was 156, the approximate diameter to which my head swelled. That lasted until my younger brother took the test and scored a dozen points higher. His school grades were always a letter-grade lower than mine, college was the best eight years of his life, and 20 years later he's STILL working low-skill jobs waiting for his R&B band to take off. OTOH he didn't try to go to sea in nuclear submarines, so maybe the test is valid after all.
My head returned to its normal size shortly after starting college. Nuclear power school made it shrink even further.
Laurence said:
I remember they threw me in a gifted magnet for 7th grade, and then first off had everyone take some sort of GMAT style test with ten categories and a percentile grading system. I remember I was mocked because I only had 4 99ths and one well below 90. I've been left with the general impression that I'm just smart enough to comprehend the insults flung by the truly intelligent.
My nephew had the same magnet-school stigma where his public-school 4.00 GPA turned into a magnet 3.40. It stigmatized him right into enlisting in the Army Rangers, although two tours in Afghanistan & one in Iraq finally convinced him that West Point isn't so bad.
When I took my first SAT (in 1976) the results weren't high enough. So I bought a workbook and tried again six months later-- raising my grade over 200 points. Had the same results working the GRE a few years later (hey, I was paying for those tests). And when the Navy gave us a "free" GRE after a few more years of schooling, sea duty, and other life experience, I was a couple hundred points LOWER. With today's interactive software the system can be gamed even more aggressively.
So public school for our kid is working out just fine. Let her get her own doors blown off in college.
Martha said:
From my experience in managing people, my hunch is that IQ isn't well correllated with common sense. I guess that is why they call it common sense.
Common sense is neither. If it was then I would've been out of a job years ago.
MRGALT2U said:
Okay folks...............far be it from me to cast doubt on others posts
(ridicule and insult are more my style).
I know a little about IQ
tests (25+ years in Mensa). If th was really in the 170s, he would
indeed be "one in a million". Problem is that there are a large number of tests to measure IQ. Some are generally accepted, some are not.
In the case of th...............based on his posts, I would guess he took
the official Red Buttons approved IQ test
Man th, you should have
held back on that one! JG
John, I was going to join Mensa too, but Groucho Marx convinced me that I shouldn't join any organization that would accept my application. Does Mensa longevity count for as much in that group as 5000 posts does here?
Does it really bug you that TH tested higher than your IQ? Now if there was only a test that measured ego...