Art G
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You're just smiling because you know I'm about to get bombarded by hate posts.
8% is commonly used as a relatively conservative LONG TERM estimate (think 20-30+ years) of expected market-level returns.5k extra in 401k, compounded at 8% for 25 years is $690,000/quote]
Where do you get your 8% figure? Our 401k's results for the past year show every single investment in our company's JP Morgan account, except fixed income and a bond fund, are down 5 - 15% for the year.
I know it feels like 8% sounds like ridiculously optimistic thinking right now as most everything is hemorrhaging red numbers and down arrows, but they also said that in 1932 and in 1981 and 2002...
5k extra in 401k, compounded at 8% for 25 years is $690,000/quote]
Where do you get your 8% figure? Our 401k's results for the past year show every single investment in our company's JP Morgan account, except fixed income and a bond fund, are down 5 - 15% for the year.
8% is long term return. Over 10-20-30 years.
I have some money in PRPFX and I am up for the year in that fund nearly 6%.
The company just announced it's providing employees 40 and over with the option of remaining in the pension, with the company continuing contributions, or we can roll the vested amount over to our 401(k) savings plan, to which the company will match up to 6%. I already use the 401 at over 6% on my own. Question is, is it best to keep the pension, or roll it over to the 401? It's a one time, non-revocable decision.
Depends on your age, but Genworth, for example, will pay up to 9% (over age 75) income for life.
There are quite a few companies that will pay from 4 to 7% income for life depending on your age. Considering the GM thread and concerns of failing pensions, perhaps VA's will be viewed differently in the future?
I understand the pension is insured by PBGC, but what if, for some reason, the company decided to stop funding the pension? What if we are bought-out and the new suitor decides not to fund it? Can a purchaser totally eliminate the existing pension plan? The company I work for is a Fortune 500 and, like many stock companies right now, is taking a beating in the market.
Im beginning to think the whole 401k phenomena has been subverted into a gigantic scheme to sell VAs......How many times a week do I see or hear the term "INCOME FOR LIFE!".......... Nauseating.
Also not sure it was mentioned that the 4-9% returns being mentioned may include return of principal (right?), so not exactly apples to apples with a SWR strategy.
Income for life is income for life. You've paid money into social security over the years and they're not even giving you the option to take a lump sum out, or to increase the income, or to invest it as you wish. Not quite sure what you're nauseated about?