Social Security question for you.

[VanWinkle]

Indeed the fault lies with the multitude of rules and regulations one must wade through to understand the intent of the law. Throw in the fact that due to age not all of us are operating under the same rules and it's a S#%tshow.

What applies to me may not apply to you and hence the confusion. We can both be right and confused at the same time.

Agreed Ivinsfan!!

 

[Floridatennisplayer]

Indeed the fault lies with the multitude of rules and regulations one must wade through to understand the intent of the law. Throw in the fact that due to age not all of us are operating under the same rules and it's a S#%tshow.

What applies to me may not apply to you and hence the confusion. We can both be right and confused at the same time.

Best post ever.

 

[pb4uski]

Indeed the fault lies with the multitude of rules and regulations one must wade through to understand the intent of the law. Throw in the fact that due to age not all of us are operating under the same rules and it's a S#%tshow.

What applies to me may not apply to you and hence the confusion. We can both be right and confused at the same time.

I have a different view. While the rules are complicated, that is the inevitable result of trying to fairly transition from FRA 65 to FRA 67. The bigger problem is the decline in the attention span and intellect of the citizenry.

 

[ivinsfan]

I have a different view. While the rules are complicated, that is the inevitable result of trying to fairly transition from FRA 65 to FRA 67. The bigger problem is the decline in the attention span and intellect of the citizenry.

It was tongue-in-cheek ya know...but the deemed filing and spousal rules don't have much to do with the age transition process. This was a recent change they hope will eliminate the so called loopholes in the system.

And you must know everyone reading here is "well above average" and has an exceptional attention span and intellect.

 

[pb4uski]

Of course I knew that. [emoji6]

 

[geerman]

How much do the statement assumptions change when primary and spouse don't work generally the last 8 to 10 years before taking?

 

[joeea]

How much do the statement assumptions change when primary and spouse don't work generally the last 8 to 10 years before taking?

Could be quite a lot. The statements assume the claimant works for those years at the most recent salary rate.

That's a lot of zeros that aren't accounted for in the statement.

You could get a better approximation by using a more thorough estimator - one which allows you to enter zeros for future earnings.

 

[REWahoo]

How much do the statement assumptions change when primary and spouse don't work generally the last 8 to 10 years before taking?

The way SS benefits are structured you will likely find those last few 0 earnings years will have only a small impact. But as was mentioned, the way to confirm is to do some "what if" runs on the benefits calculator found on the SS website.

 

[2retireearly]

If this is the case (I don't know either way), then the OP may still be able to get to 50% by having his wife cancel her original application, repay all of the benefits, and basically take a mulligan.

There is a 12 month time limit on this, so OP may be out of luck or may need to act fast:

https://www.ssa.gov/planners/retire/withdrawal.html

I don't think you can do this anymore. That is, you used to be able to take SS, and then a few years later, cancel that, repay what you got, and restart ss payouts at a future date. This is no longer allowed.

 

[VanWinkle]

I don't think you can do this anymore. That is, you used to be able to take SS, and then a few years later, cancel that, repay what you got, and restart ss payouts at a future date. This is no longer allowed.

Has to be in the first 12 months of when you claimed benefits
to suspend, repay, and start later. You get one time only to do this.

VW

 

[OAG]

I took a "mulligan" back in about 2007 after drawing SS from 2002 to 2007. DW also started hers early at age 62 and drew spousal benefits. I paid back all of what I drew and all of her spousal benefits based on my record. Pay back was about $85K. Shortly thereafter I refiled (and she received a larger spousal benefit). Had I not been a member of this site I probably would never had found out about the provision. I did it for the most part to ensure DW would have a larger benefit when I predeceased her. That did not quite work out the way we planned as she passed four years ago. I do not regret doing the "mulligan" as I now have a larger benefit to pay the increased taxes involved with being single (that is another subject for a different thread).

I still read these "when to take SS" things as I more often than not learn things.

BTW shortly after my "mulligan" they changed the timing rules.

 

[SecondCor521]

I don't think you can do this anymore. That is, you used to be able to take SS, and then a few years later, cancel that, repay what you got, and restart ss payouts at a future date. This is no longer allowed.

Uh, I put a link in my post to the Social Security website that I summarized in my post. If what I described is no longer allowed, I'm not sure why they still have the page on their website.

You and I may be discussing different things. The page I linked to (and my post) clearly stated that you only could take benefits for 12 months if you wanted a mulligan, and in your reply you use the phrase "a few years" - so we're talking about two different time frames.

 

[burtomm]

Wife and I are the same age 63. Both born in March of 1955. She has only worked part time during our 40 years of marriage. So last year at 62 she started taking SS and continued working part time. I am obviously the much higher wage earner.

I am planning to start SS this coming March at age 64. My SS will be nearly triple hers. I was told that when I start, she can convert to 50% of mine which would be a nice increase. I’ve been reading up on this and called SS and this seems to be the case. Any confirmation here?

Yes. You are correct. When you start taking your social security your wife can get a spousal benefit equal to 1/2 of yours. Her benefit may be a little less than half of yours because of her age. There is an adjustment if you start taking SS before full retirement age, which I think is 67 for her.

 

[burtomm]

Yes. You are correct. When you start taking your social security your wife can get a spousal benefit equal to 1/2 of yours. Her benefit may be a little less than half of yours because of her age. There is an adjustment if you start taking SS before full retirement age, which I think is 67 for her.

She will have to specifically apply for this benefit at your local SS office or online.

 

[VanWinkle]

Yes. You are correct. When you start taking your social security your wife can get a spousal benefit equal to 1/2 of yours. Her benefit may be a little less than half of yours because of her age. There is an adjustment if you start taking SS before full retirement age, which I think is 67 for her.

Attached is the calculator from SS for this calculation of spousal benefits.


https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/quickcalc/spouse.html#calculator

VW

 

[ivinsfan]

Yes. You are correct. When you start taking your social security your wife can get a spousal benefit equal to 1/2 of yours. Her benefit may be a little less than half of yours because of her age. There is an adjustment if you start taking SS before full retirement age, which I think is 67 for her.

Not really accurate....as had been pointed several times in this thread alone. it would be a spousal benefit equal to 1/2 of the spouse's FRA benefit and then the number would be adjusted for an early start reduction.

 

[VanWinkle]

Not really accurate....as had been pointed several times in this thread alone. it would be a spousal benefit equal to 1/2 of the spouse's FRA benefit and then the number would be adjusted for an early start reduction.

ivinsfan, I think that is what he/she was trying to convey.

"number would be adjusted for an early start reduction."

Maybe accurate but not well stated.

 

[ivinsfan]

ivinsfan, I think that is what he/she was trying to convey.

"number would be adjusted for an early start reduction."

Maybe accurate but not well stated.

maybe but it's important to add that the spousal benetfit is based on the primary spouses FRA number not the number the primary spouse is actually collecting from SS..

 

[VanWinkle]

maybe but it's important to add that the spousal benetfit is based on the primary spouses FRA number not the number the primary spouse is actually collecting from SS..

Ah, good point!!

 

[Timeisprecious]

Sounds like a pretty great plan to me!

 

[Timeisprecious]

Great plan!

It’s a multitude of things combined. Last year I read a great article on the “When to take SS” debate in the WSJ and emailed the author. A former SS Director now author and columnist. He told me you are really not going to make a major life changing mistake and it is unnecessary to stress over it. He said people over complicate it. Everyone has different situations but you really can’t hurt yourself. He said for every reason people use for waiting, you can also use the same reason for taking early.

I’m taking it in March to preserve my investments as my employment income will be over. My income in the past 15 years has always been between $140k - $235K so it’s a decent amount of SS. My SS and annuity will cover 100% of our annual expenses. So why wait I say. Enjoy it while I’m in my early years of retirement. Waiting will not change anything in my life except deplete savings. Our kids can’t inherit SS but they can our assets.

Come March I’m going to sleep, be done with stress, meetings, egotistic specialists, egotistic managers, play tennis every day, goof off with our grandkids, bob back and forth to Florida to play in a few tournaments, drink good wines, read and live the Word and have fun.

Oops - I missed the quote. Sounds like a pretty great plan to me!

 

[golfnut]

The way SS benefits are structured you will likely find those last few 0 earnings years will have only a small impact. But as was mentioned, the way to confirm is to do some "what if" runs on the benefits calculator found on the SS website.

Regarding the annual ss statement one gets in the mail, I would think the estimated benefits one would receive is pretty accurate. In my case, have been retired since 2010 and assume the estimated benefits take into account the "$0" earned since 2010 ??

 

[SecondCor521]

Regarding the annual ss statement one gets in the mail, I would think the estimated benefits one would receive is pretty accurate. In my case, have been retired since 2010 and assume the estimated benefits take into account the "$0" earned since 2010 ??

I think the general rule is that Social Security assumes you will earn the same as the last year of your data that they received from the IRS between now and FRA. It does take them a year or two to find out. So yes, if you've earned zero for 8 years, they've definitely figured that out and assume zero for the remainder of your "working years" when sending you the annual statement.

 

[golfnut]

Thanks for the response. In the meantime I verified it by using the detailed spreadsheet on the ss site entering my wages thru the years. Result was to the penny vs. my latest paper statement.

 

[oldtrig]

Wife and I are the same age 63. Both born in March of 1955. She has only worked part time during our 40 years of marriage. So last year at 62 she started taking SS and continued working part time. I am obviously the much higher wage earner.

I am planning to start SS this coming March at age 64. My SS will be nearly triple hers. I was told that when I start, she can convert to 50% of mine which would be a nice increase. I’ve been reading up on this and called SS and this seems to be the case. Any confirmation here?

My situation was almost the same as yours. I told my wife to start at 62. I made a mistake that cost us a little.


I think the amount is half mine minus $100 + or - a few $$.


That was 7 years ago. Sure it has cost us but nothing I can do about it now. Not always great at making decisions .