The Walking Dead- Season six Part two

No spoilers! I am travelling this week; SO and I always watch it together; she is NOT pleased with me at this point.
 
Whilst travelling, I "accidentally" saw

A pivotal death in S4 of Game of Thrones - DH and I had planned to binge but had yet to start

The final (S3E3) of the BBC Sherlock - also on our list but not yet started

The final episode of the Attack on Titan (Japanese Anime)

Kept my mouth shut on all three and watched them all with DH from the start. Then at the end each time was all "OMG i've been holding that in for months!"

It's fortunate I can also appreciate a good story, even knowing the outcome. Allows me to watch a few favorite movies over and over.

Walking Dead I wouldn't exactly categorize as great story telling, but it is a lot of fun. With social media spoilers on this one are near impossible.
 
Aerides said:
Walking Dead I wouldn't exactly categorize as great story telling, but it is a lot of fun.
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I actually think it's one of the most challenging shows on T.V. Behind the gratuitous gore and senseless violence are amazingly complex moral challenges the characters are forced to contend with nearly every other week. No other show even comes close to its depth.

And I think the writers do a good job of challenging the audience too. As a viewer it was disconcerting to be shown just how depraved the clan you were rooting for had become in comparison to the civilized folks of Alexandria.

Over the seasons our heros had morphed into anti-heros with us cheering them on the entire way. We didn't even notice how far they had fallen until our favorite characters came face to face with a group of people who looked and behaved like, well, us. Freaking awesome.

The Walking Dead hides some really brilliant storytelling and cinematography beneath a veneer of zombie guts. But its there, covered in just enough splatter to keep the comic book fans on board.

Here's hoping they can keep pulling rabbits out of the hat.
 
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Thanks for the reminder! I have to set the DVR and then watch it after my husband goes to bed. He hates seeing it. He thinks I'm crazy.


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For the first time this year, we were able to watch the show as it aired because we were traveling and the places we stayed had cable.

I'm a big fan of the show but I haven't liked this season as much. I'm finding the format to be a little repetitive -- i.e. separate everybody and focus on only 1-3 characters each episode. Too much like last season.

However, I don't have cable anymore so we'll have to wait to see the second half.

The other show I really want to see is Ash vs Evil Dead.
 
Wow, what a great episode, one of the best!


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Calgary_Girl said:
Wow, what a great episode, one of the best!
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It was certainly one of the most action packed, brutal, and hair raising. I do like how they manage to balance all the violence with some humanity too.

Going forward I'm curious to see if they can (or eve want to) transition the show to one where the characters start rebuilding a civilization. After 6 seasons the The Walking Dead has pretty much "survived" on the same formula . . . wandering nomads in search of safety finally find a sanctuary only to have that sanctuary destroyed, rinse, repeat.

We've now followed them from Hershel's farm, to the prison, to Woodbury, to Terminus, and to Alexandria. I'd like to see them take a risk and take the series in a different direction.
 
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We've now followed them from Hershel's farm, to the prison, to Woodbury, to Terminus, and to Alexandria. I'd like to see them take a risk and take the series in a different direction.
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Totally agree with this. I absolutely love the show, but it does need to break out of the "formula" a bit more in order to stay really interesting and engaging. I have faith that the writers and producers know this all too well, and I think we will see things go in some different and unexpected directions this season and next.

[SPOILER ALERT!]

On a different note, it was very depressing to see what happened to Jessie. She was a real breath of fresh air, I thought, and I wanted to see her character developed further. Obviously, I know the show is famous (or infamous?) for not sparing beloved characters, but still... at some point can't we keep some genuinely "good" or "innocent" people around for a while? Jessie is just the latest in a long line of people gone too soon from the show (Lori, Herschel, Beth, Noah, Bob, Tyreese, etc etc). The list is almost endless. I've read that people are using the term "misery porn" to describe the show, and I'd have to agree that's pretty accurate. Of course, I'm still going to keep watching :)

Here's a link to a less-than-glowing analysis of the mid-season premiere.
Here’s What Was Wrong With The Walking Dead’s Mid-Season Premiere: Everything
 
They're more or less following the comics, so if that continues then

[SPOILER ALERT!]

they will settle down at Alexandria and build it up, with multiple skirmishes between other groups - Negan being the primary antagonist for a while. The show does diverge a bit from the comics (e.g., Rick doesn't lose his hand in the show - yet), but for the most part it has been pretty true to it.

If you're curious (and don't mind spoilers about the major plot points), the comics are summarized here:

The Walking Dead (Comic Series) - Walking Dead Wiki - Wikia
 
Sojourner said:
On a different note, it was very depressing to see what happened to Jessie. She was a real breath of fresh air, I thought, and I wanted to see her character developed further. Obviously, I know the show is famous (or infamous?) for not sparing beloved characters, but still... at some point can't we keep some genuinely "good" or "innocent" people around for a while?
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Well, what about Glenn? Good guy, came within a fraction of a second of getting his head knocked in and throat cut, then actually probably but not really died falling off the dumpster, and then went down under a horde of walkers Sunday night, only to be saved by Abraham machine gunning down the zombies getting ready to munch on him while somehow not shooting Glenn too. I think if you want to complain, you should complain about him using up all the good luck on the show.

As far as Jessie, I'd have like to keep her around too, but Sam was doomed months ago, and there's no way she was just going to walk away from him. Such is life in the ZA.
 
Sojourner said:
[SPOILER ALERT!]

On a different note, it was very depressing to see what happened to Jessie. She was a real breath of fresh air, I thought, and I wanted to see her character developed further. Obviously, I know the show is famous (or infamous?) for not sparing beloved characters, but still... at some point can't we keep some genuinely "good" or "innocent" people around for a while? Jessie is just the latest in a long line of people gone too soon from the show (Lori, Herschel, Beth, Noah, Bob, Tyreese, etc etc). The list is almost endless. I've read that people are using the term "misery porn" to describe the show, and I'd have to agree that's pretty accurate. Of course, I'm still going to keep watching :)

Here's a link to a less-than-glowing analysis of the mid-season premiere.
Here’s What Was Wrong With The Walking Dead’s Mid-Season Premiere: Everything
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I agree about the killing of main characters.

To some extent it's necessary to keep the show honest. A huge part of what made this episode so hair raising is that you couldn't possibly know from one moment to the next who might die. It could have been Sasha and / or Abraham in the very opening scene. Or Glenn with his desperate attempt to save Maggie, or Maggie herself. Not to mention Carl. Every one of those situations was more powerful than it would have been if The Walking Dead had a history of being written like CSI Miami.

But I agree that the killing of main characters, like the violence and the gore, has become gratuitous. Good characters are hard to find. So if you have to dispatch them, you must do it judiciously. Otherwise you risk becoming The Game of Thrones where just about everyone worth watching on screen is in the grave.
 
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I agree about the killing of main characters.

To some extent it's necessary to keep the show honest. A huge part of what made this episode so hair raising is that you couldn't possibly know from one moment to the next who might die. It could have been Sasha and / or Abraham in the very opening scene. Or Glenn with his desperate attempt to save Maggie, or Maggie herself. Not to mention Carl. Every one of those situations was more powerful than it would have been if The Walking Dead had a history of being written like CSI Miami.

But I agree that the killing of main characters, like the violence and the gore, has become gratuitous. Good characters are hard to find. So if you have to dispatch them, you must do it judiciously. Otherwise you risk becoming The Game of Thrones where just about everyone worth watching on screen is in the grave.
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Except Arya.
 
harley said:
Except Arya.
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Unfortunately they killed that character in the last season a different way . . . by making her awful. :)

Exactly the opposite of what The Walking Dead did with Carol. So I guess you're right in that there is still hope the old Arya, or a new and improved one, will return. Not so much a chance of that for poor old Ned.
 
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Man, if TWD continues like this episode I'm going to stop watching. Unrelenting violence and misery is not my idea of entertainment. I'm a Louis L'Amour good-guy-wins-the-day-and-rides-off-into-the-sunset type of guy. I don't mind a few setbacks, but I'm not seeing anything good happening for quite a while. I don't read the comics, but I'm still peripherally aware of the storyline. Negan stays around for a long time, and I don't think I want to watch. What do y'all think?
 
My girlfriend liked it and watched it with her daughter a lot.

But the last time she was disturbed by the zombies eating a horse and couldn't sleep after. She told her daughter she's on her own now.
 
I agree, I usually stream WD on Netflix at the end of the season, and last night I felt ill just reading the recap of the season opener.

I understand it's a TV drama but they have turned every person not a walker into either a hopeless mope or a sociopath ....UGH! Only our band of heroes does the right thing...
 
Changed "TV"

I don't generally watch "tv" as it's commonly referenced. This isn't "tv" as we knew it or grew up with. The level of sophistication and impact is completely different now. I like this genre and think it is incredibly well done. But it is definitely difficult to watch sometimes and understand it might not appeal to many. If so, don't watch.

I look at it from a social, cultural and commercial perspectives and think that the top examples, like the Walking Dead and Game of Thrones, have changed the industry right before our eyes. TV is capable of a whole different level of depth and power now like the best movies or books ever did. The staggering viewership and fan numbers these shows have is clear evidence, despite having far more choice available than ever.
 
harley said:
Well, what about Glenn? Good guy, came within a fraction of a second of getting his head knocked in and throat cut, then actually probably but not really died falling off the dumpster, and then went down under a horde of walkers Sunday night, only to be saved by Abraham machine gunning down the zombies getting ready to munch on him while somehow not shooting Glenn too. I think if you want to complain, you should complain about him using up all the good luck on the show.

As far as Jessie, I'd have like to keep her around too, but Sam was doomed months ago, and there's no way she was just going to walk away from him. Such is life in the ZA.
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+1. Feel like I'm generally able to handle things like violence on TV. But that was too much last night. Not sure if I'll continue with this show unless something changes fast. Since I'm still working Sunday nights are depressing enough. Don't need this.

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harley said:
Man, if TWD continues like this episode I'm going to stop watching. Unrelenting violence and misery is not my idea of entertainment. I'm a Louis L'Amour good-guy-wins-the-day-and-rides-off-into-the-sunset type of guy. I don't mind a few setbacks, but I'm not seeing anything good happening for quite a while. I don't read the comics, but I'm still peripherally aware of the storyline. Negan stays around for a long time, and I don't think I want to watch. What do y'all think?
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Oops. +1'd the wrong Harley quote. This is the one I meant to do. :cool:
 
harley said:
Man, if TWD continues like this episode I'm going to stop watching. Unrelenting violence and misery is not my idea of entertainment.
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+1 for sure. About 30 minutes into the episode last night, I found myself thinking this might be the moment the show "jumped the shark" and starts to steadily lose viewership. The searing levels of depravity and misery and brutality and gore seemed over the top to me, and certainly were not entertaining. I get that Negan was trying to make a point and had to ensure the group (and especially) Rick felt completely subjugated and helpless, but ultimately I watch the show for entertainment... and last night was a real struggle. It won't be entertaining for me to watch a glib, cocky, psychopathic mass murderer terrorize Rick's group over the course of a full season in this way, so I'm hoping that this episode was the low-water mark and things improve substantially. The show needs to be about more than the abject brutality and hopelessness of this world.
 
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