SecondCor521
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Hi all,
Looking for input here. I'll provide the basic facts and then hope to get comments and input. I'll try to check back to answer any questions, too.
I have been working as a software engineer for the past two months developing a new product for a small startup (~20 employees + ~4 contract engineers). I am actually a W-2 employee of a contract engineering company and the startup is the contract engineering company's client.
The R&D director -- my effective boss as the startup company -- is somewhere between pleased and very pleased with my performance: my product has always been on schedule, organized, documented, and has more features and higher quality than they expected. I have worked with the R&D director at two previous companies and trust and respect him.
According to the R&D director, the CEO of the company wants the company to be cash flow positive in fiscal Q1 2009 (calendar==fiscal in this case). His rough plan seems to be to have the 4 contract engineers finish up the new products we're developing and testing, then lay us off ASAP to minimize the cash outflow, then sell the products like crazy to generate cash income.
I like the company, I really like the people I work with, I really like the guy I work for. I think the company has a pretty decent to good chance of survivability and even prosperity in the future.
I've raised the possibility of working for equity to the R&D director, who has briefly discussed it with the CEO, who apparently is willing to seriously consider the idea.
The company is privately held, has completed first round funding with *I think* an 85-investor consortium from a well-respected private equity group. The company is cash flow negative right now, obviously, but the product I'm actually working on could make them cash flow positive by itself (independent of the products that the other contract engineers are finishing up). They're looking for second round funding or angel investors but obviously in this climate people are not particularly interested in buying private stock in small startups. They were founded in 2004 and have a patent portfolio.
Their first rough idea was to pay me what the contract engineering company is paying me in terms of dollars, but then actually pay me in stock instead of greenbacks. This seems like a lousy offer because the company is wanting to pay me in something that has a definite risk of being very expensive toilet paper (let's discuss the idea that greenbacks might become toilet paper at some point in other threads), not to mention that they're currently paying 50% more than that to the contract engineering company (to cover employer half of SS taxes, my benefits, and the profit margin for the contract engineering company)
What should I think about? What are the gotchas? Any experiences to share?
Things I've sorta thought out to myself:
+ Need a risk premium for accepting equity instead of cash -- perhaps on the order of 50%?
+ Seems fair to split some of the overhead of the contract engineering company.
+ Do I have the cashflow to support myself while doing this?
+ Which is a better path: spending my time working for them "for free" vs. looking for another job?
+ This situation may cause the company to be put into a situation of having implied a job offer - legal theory of justifiable reliance if things don't pan out well.
+ Private company means hard to value stock. Also illiquid.
+ My contract engineering company would have to agree to let me do this. I'm pretty sure they would based on previous conversations I've had with them.
+ Conflict of interest and/or friction between me and the other employees being an investor and an employee?
+ I've been working hard for them trying to get on full time. Do I work even harder to prove even more that I'm worth hiring? Do I slack off now that they're clearly thinking about treating me in a very utilitarian way? Keep at the same level of effort (I vote for this choice)?
Thanks for the input, I know you folks will give me good things to consider.
Ask any questions and I'll answer them when I can.
2Cor521
Looking for input here. I'll provide the basic facts and then hope to get comments and input. I'll try to check back to answer any questions, too.
I have been working as a software engineer for the past two months developing a new product for a small startup (~20 employees + ~4 contract engineers). I am actually a W-2 employee of a contract engineering company and the startup is the contract engineering company's client.
The R&D director -- my effective boss as the startup company -- is somewhere between pleased and very pleased with my performance: my product has always been on schedule, organized, documented, and has more features and higher quality than they expected. I have worked with the R&D director at two previous companies and trust and respect him.
According to the R&D director, the CEO of the company wants the company to be cash flow positive in fiscal Q1 2009 (calendar==fiscal in this case). His rough plan seems to be to have the 4 contract engineers finish up the new products we're developing and testing, then lay us off ASAP to minimize the cash outflow, then sell the products like crazy to generate cash income.
I like the company, I really like the people I work with, I really like the guy I work for. I think the company has a pretty decent to good chance of survivability and even prosperity in the future.
I've raised the possibility of working for equity to the R&D director, who has briefly discussed it with the CEO, who apparently is willing to seriously consider the idea.
The company is privately held, has completed first round funding with *I think* an 85-investor consortium from a well-respected private equity group. The company is cash flow negative right now, obviously, but the product I'm actually working on could make them cash flow positive by itself (independent of the products that the other contract engineers are finishing up). They're looking for second round funding or angel investors but obviously in this climate people are not particularly interested in buying private stock in small startups. They were founded in 2004 and have a patent portfolio.
Their first rough idea was to pay me what the contract engineering company is paying me in terms of dollars, but then actually pay me in stock instead of greenbacks. This seems like a lousy offer because the company is wanting to pay me in something that has a definite risk of being very expensive toilet paper (let's discuss the idea that greenbacks might become toilet paper at some point in other threads), not to mention that they're currently paying 50% more than that to the contract engineering company (to cover employer half of SS taxes, my benefits, and the profit margin for the contract engineering company)
What should I think about? What are the gotchas? Any experiences to share?
Things I've sorta thought out to myself:
+ Need a risk premium for accepting equity instead of cash -- perhaps on the order of 50%?
+ Seems fair to split some of the overhead of the contract engineering company.
+ Do I have the cashflow to support myself while doing this?
+ Which is a better path: spending my time working for them "for free" vs. looking for another job?
+ This situation may cause the company to be put into a situation of having implied a job offer - legal theory of justifiable reliance if things don't pan out well.
+ Private company means hard to value stock. Also illiquid.
+ My contract engineering company would have to agree to let me do this. I'm pretty sure they would based on previous conversations I've had with them.
+ Conflict of interest and/or friction between me and the other employees being an investor and an employee?
+ I've been working hard for them trying to get on full time. Do I work even harder to prove even more that I'm worth hiring? Do I slack off now that they're clearly thinking about treating me in a very utilitarian way? Keep at the same level of effort (I vote for this choice)?
Thanks for the input, I know you folks will give me good things to consider.
Ask any questions and I'll answer them when I can.
2Cor521